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Pillar of the Community
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Great specimen! Never seen such a good 1892. The date most often seen in UNC is 1887, the first year of issue.
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Ireland
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Very, very nice!!
Congrats,
Norm
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Beautiful coin! The rainbow toning adds to its attractiveness.
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Pillar of the Community
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That looks like AT. I seriously doubt it. The toning looks completely natural and consistent with the way many of these coins were stored in velvet-lined or other types of coin cabinets. The toning is also obviously stable as it has been in this older generation PCGS holder for at least 15 years in this condition. I guess I don't know what your definition of "AT" (artificially toned) is, but this coin is more than market acceptable, which is all that really matters in the market. Now, if you were to offer an opinion based on more information (or evidence) than just your 4 word presumptuous post, I'm happy to listen. But, I have seen hundreds of coins from this era, and many of the Vicky coins exhibit tones such as this one -- just none that I have seen that have quite the full package like this gem. |
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My AT comment was not mean't to be a dig at your preference's.
In over 40 years of collecting I have never seen a natural coin with that toning.
Each to their own for a coin's appearance.
It's just as well we don't all like the same.
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My AT comment was not mean't to be a dig at your preference's.
In over 40 years of collecting I have never seen a natural coin with that toning.
Each to their own for a coin's appearance.
It's just as well we don't all like the same. Most of the coins that did look like this one have been dipped out to a very un-natural bright white on your side of the pond. I wasn't offended by your comment, but I find it far more likely that a coin has been messed with if it ISN'T toned (at least to some extent). Silver simply doesn't stay bright white when it is 100+ years old. |
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Hi These are typical 1892 high quality 2/6's The dipping this side of the pond,in the main,is by a few ebay sharks. CGS are linked with London coins....dipping would be mentioned or even precluded from a sale. When those hideous rainbow toned morgans are glorified in the States it makes me wonder. http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=...searchtype=1 |
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Just wondering... how much did this coin cost?
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Quote:Hi These are typical 1892 high quality 2/6's The dipping this side of the pond,in the main,is by a few ebay sharks. CGS are linked with London coins....dipping would be mentioned or even precluded from a sale. When those hideous rainbow toned morgans are glorified in the States it makes me wonder. No offense, but the coins you linked to would not make MS64 grade at any USA TPG -- the first one is cleaned and wrought with hairlines. The third one down is the only one that looks UNC to my eye, and the others don't have pictures. Of course, the fact that apparently the website doesn't know how to photograph coins doesn't help in the assessment. On another forum, a very seasoned and high end UK collector stated that many coins originally issued in the "so-called specimen sets" have this particular toning pattern. The packaging would have been similar to that used for Maundy issues, and those certainly almost always exhibit toning. I have seen some real monster beautifully toned Maundy pieces. I'm not sure what "outgassing" comes from the velvet lining of those 19th century UK boxes, but they can sure make for some lovely toned coins. Would you also call this 4pence Maundy piece I have "AT"? I'm not trying to be combative here, I'm just offering up some food for thought and discussion. All UK coins with toning are not "AT" -- and I think such a blanket statement is uninformed.  ============================== Quote:
Just wondering... how much did this coin cost? I paid £260 ($425) for the coin. I didn't haggle or flinch in any way. I know how hard the later Jubilee head half crowns are to find in true UNC. I just paid the man, and moved on to the next table (the whole time with a smile on my face).  |
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My final observation. Without the toning I would expect the coin to make £100-120 retail in the UK. OK the US is a different market. I dropped the thread onto a well respected UK forum. Maybe it sums up the distinct differences in what is perceived collectable/nice. I also don't understand why that plastic model Jordon (Katie Price)ordered her Aston Martin in shocking pink. That's life. http://www.predecimal.com/forum/top...his-1892-26/ |
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Peter, do you care to also declare my Maundy piece that I posted as "AT"? LOL I see you got the Brits all up in a huff over on the other site you posted to. You may also want to post this link to a bit of physics about optics( http://www.bestofyesterdaycollectib...p?blog_id=13]). For the record, I did not buy this coin to flip or as an investment. I collect what I like, and I still contend that this coin is 100% genuine and naturally toned. Opinions may vary. |
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That toning is fine. He overpaid by a factor of probably two for it but it's in a slab and that's the game this side of the pond. His investment is safe for that reason alone. Over here the major TPGs and dealers got everybody whipped up into a feeding frenzy for their slabbed toning. What do you think this NT/AT business is, but big business? Seriously, this is tarnish. Can tarnish be "artificial?" Excuse the crap out of me for thinking. This NT/AT business is but marketing, pure and simple. I know fools right now who are afraid to even consider a toned coin unless it's in a slab. They're that sucked into the marketing. They're seeing "coin doctors" around every corner. They're not going to be "deceived." Isn't that how that marketing goes? Fear. It sells. Get that toning into one of their slabs, or you'll be sorry. "Educate" yourself. I absolutely adore that one. Tell the suckers they're "educated" for being suckers, and they're yours. That's all they have to do. Yes. It's that sick over here. It's also money on a hoof, that's what drives it.
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If you like it, that's all that matters.
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