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Yet Another Fake (Many As Of Late) Colonial Copper On Ebay

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1776-New-Ha...em2c75280600

All of these in design are not real.

Here is a genuine coin that sold in 2012 by Stack's & Bower's for $172,000.

Read the first few paragraphs. I live in California, known for it's plentiful Pine and Redwood trees, some so big around, you can drive a truck through the trunk!
I find it intriguing, that Colonial Numismatics mentions such prominent designs (of Pines) on several of it's coins

This coin is without a doubt, a treasure of Colonial Numismatics.

I've seen this PCGS VG10 example before and have actually held it, and put my loupe under it.

I was humbled...


Genuine:

http://stacksbowers.com/auctions/Au...LotID=323268
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The genuine coin is amazing!
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When European settlers first arrived at the northeastern seaboard, they met an unbroken virgin forest of white oak(Quercus alba) and eastern white pine (Pinus strobus), with trees three hundred feet high. That forest lives now only in the names of the commonwealth of Pennsylvania ("Penn's Woods") and the state of Vermont ("Green Mountains"). When these colonial coppers were being made, in the late 18th century, that forest was already gone, and not even within the memory of most older Americans. I wonder if the New Hampshire copper depicts one last remnant virgin pine, being cherished, "Lorax"-style, or just a fantasy of the past, to be looked to as a new heritage for a new nation, as the ties with Old England were being broken.
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Gee, he says that it doesn't say 'copy' on the coin so you know it's got to be 'Real'! I just love the well focused pictures!!

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p, I thought about your last paragraph as that was actually sort of an underlying thought of mine subliminally.
I knew of the Green Mountain conifers, and I've driven through NH.
Some of the most beautiful landscapes I've ever seen.
It's no wonder why the likes of Reuben Harmon and others, made these States their home, and thought of it as so beautiful, worthy of it's Republic's coinage.
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Listing yanked!
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But....

there will be more
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But....

vermontensium "will always be there... old friend."

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Ha!
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Vermont during its coinage period was anything BUT a paradise. Famine, poverty and disease was everywhere. The glorious coppers themselves were an increasing failure, by late 1788 they passed at 8 to the Penny. The Mint itself was a failure, Harmon moved to Ohio and started making Salt.
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The value of ALL the coppers collapsed during the late 1780's, 1790 period. State, counterfeit half pence, Fugios etc. It wasn't just the Vermonts.
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The Copper Panic of July 20, 1789. The bottom fell out of the market; the price of copper fell by 75%. Salt must have looked like a much better option at that point. When all those states (and counterfeiters) started making copper coins in the 1780's, it probably created a "bubble" in the copper market.
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Oh yeah ambro, nobody said life was a paradise, especially for families.
Most adults could not read or write so teaching any children they may have had, was basically confined to family everyday tasks.
Basic essentials back then was of great importance, especially in Vermont, where self sustainability was a must.
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