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Are these any better? I'm getting better with the reflections.....had to use a thicker piece of white paper to block the light. Still a little reflection of the camera, but I can fix that later. I think the slab pictures are better, but still can't get a decent photo of the coin. Dave, I used your settings. 5.1 (could have gone to 8,) ISO of 80, and needed a shutter speed of 1/40 to get these. Didn't have any extra light available , so had to increase the shutter speed. Don't think it would have mattered anyway. Either the camera keeps focusing on the slab, and not the coin, or the camera is at it's limit. Hey, anybody got a camera I can borrow for one picture?  Back to reality. Anything else I can try? Would brighter lights help the camera see the coin for better focus. This kinda sucks, because I actually feel like I'm taking decent pictures and they aren't coming out like I expect.  This one was at ISO 100 and ss of 1/30  Which looks better? Either one good enough for ebay? I like the way the top one looks overall, but like the brightness of the bottom coin. Didn't even bother cropping the coin because it looks so bad zoomed in. Just read your post Dave after I posted this. Yeah, buyers like to zoom into the coin....that's my big problem. All suggestions welcome. Thanks again for all the help ed
Edited by edweather 10/30/2013 01:19 am
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On the images above, the lower one would be fine for an overall slab shot. I would want some close-ups. Is your pixel rate high enough for some cropped images (500 x 500 is usually pretty good)?
Edited by oih82w8 10/30/2013 09:20 am
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Hmmm, sorry Ed, but I'm thinking Dave is probably right. you may be at the end of your cameras ability. I'm still scratching my head though that the camera wants to focus on the entire slab and not the coin even when you drill down to just the coin itself in the picture. Let me ask you this, if you take a regular cent and place it on the table, and put your camera in macro mode, you can only get 7 inches away and still get focus? Does your camera zoom in macro or is it locked out by the program itself? Sometimes I've had better luck without my tripod, but with books stacked up on either side of the coin and my camera acting as the "bridge" above the coin. I then just zoom in. Meh, in all reality, considering the cost of cameras these days and if you're going to want to sell more and more coins, it may be worth dropping a hundred dollars on ebay for an older camera that is known to take good coin pictures. Just a thought. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. For the record, if Dave or Ray can't get you there, you may as well just ignore my posts.... Edited to add, what if you tape around everything but the coin? Maybe use white medical tape to try to fool the camera into thinking that the coin was the only thing there? Or just trace a cent on a piece of white paper and cut out the hole and place it on top of the slab...
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oih82w8, Thanks for the vote on the lower photo. I can crop them, but it isn't even worth it. When you zoom in at all it just looks like a copper mess....all the detail disappears. That's the problem I'm fighting......trying to get some detail on close-ups.
tights24, I will try your idea of placing a regular cent on the table and try it that way, and see what happens. I've tried it in Macro mode, and I can get the lens to about 6", and that's it. The camera DOES zoom in in Macro. Will try again with a regular penny, and also try a couple of your ideas to trick the camera into focusing on the coin in the slab.
Thanks. Ed
edit: ironically, one of my better shots was an accidental flash that went off...at least it really highlighted a lot of details on the coin...the zoom-in was still ugly though.
Edited by edweather 10/30/2013 11:49 am
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Yeah, I'm lost with this one. not sure what to do. I took a coin out of my pocket and quickly took a photo with my cell phone free hand, with flash, and on full auto from about 4 inches and below is what I got. I'm thinking you may need to invest in a new camera. Keep in mind, there are ALOT of cameras out there that are cheap and they take awesome coin pics. Dig down in some of the photography threads and you will see what I mean. 
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Here's a penny I just slapped on my desk, zoomed in a "little," and snapped it. Much better. Can actually see the penny. Now the only question is how do I grab the penny in the slab? 
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I am a bit encouraged. Experimented with the flash, and got, IMO, the best detail, and zoom-in, so far. Not saying a "flash" is great, but maybe a bright light gave the camera something to grab. Was in a hurry to get to work, but will post some pictures later. tights24, did you take a look at Lincoln's beard in your photo? Looks like he combed it 
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OK, so I'm not going to win any awards, but things are improving....I hope. IMO, these are the best so far. At least good enough to kick the can down the road for a week or so. No enhancements, just cropped. Manual mode, zoomed in just a little, f3.1, ss 1/160, ISO100, and -4.8 ec Opinions and suggestions please. Thanks. Ed  
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BLAM! What a difference practice can produce! I believe that you found the MACRO setting. I think your price just went a up a bit with the "red-ish" ring around the lower obverse rim. Looks pretty darn good to me!  I may have missed it earlier, what is the megapixel rating of your camera? Mine is only a 14 megapixel (it's a couple years old) but I can still get halfway decent images from a distance, zoom in and crop the image. That way I (usually) don't get the reflection of the camera off of the slab. Did I mention that you have a really nice looking S-VDB?
Edited by oih82w8 10/31/2013 09:12 am
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Thanks. Yeah mine is a 14mp also. I had the slab tilted a bit to deflect the reflection. I might try your suggestion of increasing the distance and zooming in. Since I'm using the flash, don't need the overhead lighting in the way anymore.
The funny thing is that basically the only thing different with this picture and the last 300 I took, is the silly flash. really shows what a difference a bright light can make.
How are these guys getting these super HD closeup images? Besides all their equiptment being better than mine, are they using way higher megapixel cameras?
Still feel there is room for improvement in my photo. My father has a "real" camera that I might borrow on Thanksgiving.
All suggestions welcome. ed
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Quote: How are these guys getting these super HD closeup images? Besides all their equiptment being better than mine, are they using way higher megapixel cameras?
It has nothing whatsoever to do with "megapixels." In fact, cramming more and more megapixels onto a sensor of a given size tends to make it worse - the best point-and-shoot images I've seen around here are from older cameras with less-concentrated sensors. Part of it is the effectiveness of the Macro function - your camera is of limited capacity in that regard. Many cameras can some within an inch or two of the coin and still achieve focus and yours is a real handicap at an 8" minimum. The best of the images you see around here are from a dedicated dSLR/macro setup using either manufacturer macro lenses or repurposed duplicating lenses mounted on a bellows. This, of course, ain't cheap - see the "Best I can get on a $400 budget" thread to get an idea. If this 1909 represents all you wish to shoot, obviously such a solution isn't appropriate for you.
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Thanks Dave. Yes, this is the only slabbed coin I really need a decent picture of. The rest of them are raw and inexpensive coins. That's why I am trying to 'milk-the-cow' so to speak. In the process though, I am learning a tremendous amount about my camera, and photography. Yeah, I've seen great pictures come from less megapixels, so I sure you are right about a lesser quality macro function on my camera vs a "real" camera.
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Hi Ed, so taking into consideration that you're looking at ~$1500 sale on this coin, it may be worth spending a few dollars on a camera that will take decent photos of a coin in a slab. I'm not talking about spending $300 mind you, I'm talking about finding something that will work. You may need it for future sales as well. I currently own THIS camera. It's only 5mp. I took it to the FUN show last year and tested Superdave's photography skill with it. I always had a decent amount of success, but I wanted to see what an expert could do with it. Needless to say, it took some pretty good images. It actually has a super macro mode as well in which I can get within 4cm I think and it will still focus. Just a thought is all.
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tights24, Thanks for the heads up. It's in my watch list. Ed
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Just found the old post where Dave showed what my camera did at the FUN show. Here
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