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How Far Back Can We Go? Second Edition! Ended At 1492 Waiting On 1491

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1698 AUSTRIA THALER of LEOPOLD the 'Hogmouth' :
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This large (~ 42mm) silver coin is from the roller die era, causing it to have a slight curvature.
In spite of its impressive dimensions and great detail, it's a relatively easy piece to obtain in nice quality for under a thousand.
Later versions have a more prominent date; on this one the year is de-emphasized almost to the point of being illegible.
I missed posting my 1700 German coin. :(
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1697AD
AH1108
India, Mughal empire
Silver rupee
Mint : Akbarnagar
Regnal year 41 of Abul Muzaffar Muhi-ud-Din Mohammad bin Aurangzeb, (1618-1707)
Imperial title (1656-1707): Alamgir ("world-seizer or universe-seizer")
6th Mughal emperor
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20 Grani 1696 of the Kingdom of Naples and Sicily (under Spanish control)
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1696 Saxony - Albertine, Thaler of Friedrich August I, Dresden mint.


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1696 GREAT BRITAIN CROWN, a sea salvaged coin of William the 3rd, from the wreck of the H.M.S Association.
Google it. It's an epic historical maritime tragedy. 800 souls lost due to a navigational mistake.
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I had my 1696 waiting in the wings for a 1697, but does that one count? I love Petrus's posts (and the wealth of knowledge), but there is not a 1697 date on it.
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I am assuming the AH1108 date is clearly visible on the coin. If that is the case, it counts.
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but there is not a 1697 date on it.


As per first post in this topic:


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Coins should be dated, preferably with common era dating, but it is acceptable if the date can be converted from another calendar. It is also acceptable if the date can be determined to the exact year from other criteria; however, how it was determined needs to be explained (links are okay).


Abul Muzaffar Muhi-ud-Din Mohammad bin Aurangzeb came to power on 31st July 1658 a date which falls into AH1069 which was his regnal year 1, regnal year 41 was therefore AH1109 which commenced on 20th July 1697.

But if my eyes don't deceit me the regnal year on the coin is "40" which would make it AH1108 and AH1108 overlaps with 1st January to 19th July 1697, so should be okay as well.
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For what it's worth, here's a coin traditionally attributed to the year 1696 that doesn't actually have a date...

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Peter I silver wire kopek (either very late joint rule or very early sole rule), "Russia" variety (KG 1586), circa 1696 AD (different catalogues give slightly different dates, though most say 1696; I've made a case for August 1696 myself, but now that I look at my explanation it doesn't seem very plausible).
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Here a coin wich can cause the same discussion about correct dating.
These AH coins will always have some doubts about the excact correct dating.
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1696AD
AH1108
India, Mughal empire
Silver rupee
Mint : Burhanpur
Regnal year 40 of Abul Muzaffar Muhi-ud-Din Mohammad bin Aurangzeb, (1618-1707)
Imperial title (1656-1707): Alamgir ("world-seizer or universe-seizer")
6th Mughal emperor
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No, we are good! Even if there were some debate, the 1696 coin that mysilveryears posted is satisfactory.

This being an international forum, we should be well aware that not everyone uses "common era" dating.
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Ok JBUCK.
I have several other indian coins.
I will wait till there is a clear date before posting such a coin.
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1696 Halfpenny
Ireland
William III
KM #110

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I don't know if it is the detail on the harp and portraits, but there is just something about this series that I really like.
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