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Ptolemey III Bronze Ae42

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 Posted 10/30/2013  3:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jay Kristofferson to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I obtained this coin some years ago. The obverse seems double struck giving the coin an unusual but pleasing aspect I think. It is 42mm in diameter.

There were five coins in the group and the dealer sold the group for $150 because they were all covered with fuzzy green corrosion. You could barely discern what was underneath the green. I gently restored the coins as best I could and sold the other four for around $200.

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 Posted 10/30/2013  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its a beauty! Thanks for sharing!
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 Posted 10/30/2013  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coin, excellent details and color.
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 Posted 10/30/2013  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its so nice that it looks fake ;-) very nice!
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I have to say, it does look worrying. Coins this nice are just...very rare. And zeus looks pretty surprised too!
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 Posted 10/30/2013  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope ben isn't right..but like I said, it is so perfect that it looks fake
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Looks fine to me, and it's a beauty! Here's the best site for verifying and learning more about your particular issue: http://www.ptolemybronze.com/
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 Posted 10/30/2013  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add MetDet71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 'bead' doesn't seem to match the field, if you know what I mean. The expression on the bird looks like it's having a 'poop'. I don't collect this type, but have seen a good few in the shop. I don't think it's right. The finishing touch is the centre hole, looks drilled with a modern bit.
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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 Posted 10/30/2013  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not an expert on this series but have looked at a lot of these lately and I see nothing wrong with this coin.
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Your probably right echizento, just looks a bit wrong to me. Only seen and handled a few hundred of these so not my line. The curve on the edge looks very neat though.
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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 Posted 10/30/2013  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup its just so nice it looks fake! Congrats my friend I believe it is the real McCoy, and superb condition.
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Well, I give up... I cant find a single coin to match this. It looks totally wrong to me yet everyone else says it is right...
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 Posted 10/30/2013  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Without a close up examination any opinion is .... only an opinion !

Looks good !
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Im with metdet...the more I look at it, the worse the feeling I have about it. My Ptolemies (I have 3) are all the same shaped flan. Rounded with a flat plateau for the top like its cast into a rounded bottom. Imagine a teacake - that shape, but obviously not so 3d. The flans are caste too, so there should be evidence of a sprue on either side of the coin.

Heres a nice test...those dimples should line up, surely. One looks really off centered and one also looks quite shallow. Mine are more even than that and line up.

The eagles a bit...funky, too. The facial area looks odd but that might just be the grade.
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None of the 'dimples' on the 4 Ptolemy's I own line up within a few millimeters of each other (except the small 22mm). Larger sized Ptolemy's are almost always hammered and or filed around the edges so if you have evidence of a sprue I would be really suspicious.
The coin looks good ...... but looks can be deceiving !
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 Posted 10/30/2013  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augustus1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen lots of these and it looks fine. It takes skill and time to remove "fuzzy green corrosion". You deserve your profit.
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