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Melting For Copper Bullion

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 Posted 11/04/2013  04:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Demarco Bishopp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's your money, you can spend it how you wish but I would advise against investing in silver. That stuff is volatile as heck right now.

I buy silver for the enjoyment of owning it, not as an investment.
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 Posted 11/04/2013  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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At this rate, I'm hoping to net 80 bucks in wire, and I have a bunch of copper piping that I salvaged too, along with about 200+ feet of aluminum rain gutters. I'm hoping to get at least a couple ounces of silver from this haul.

NOTHING wrong about "Above ground mining" as far as I am concerned
Turn it into silver, gold or a fridge full of Beer either of those is a WINNER, recycling is awesome
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 Posted 11/04/2013  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let us know when you sell it. From a guy who has owned const. co and has been around this venture for many years, it is a no win venture. The time in gathering and stripping never works out to minimum wage. Unless you buy salvage rights to a whole building and can strip out $2000 worth, it is only a few dollars here and there.
But more importantly, you have to know where to draw the line between "scrapping" and raiding guys onsite storage supplies. Taking a roll of wire or some copper gutters, someone put aside, but you "though" they were throwing out, will cost you your job and maybe more.

But good luck and update this thread when you sell it
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 Posted 11/05/2013  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In case anyone was wondering, the board does include copper. Notice it reads: "Precious Metals and Bullion - Gold, Silver, Copper, Platinum"

Copper is at a decent price so selling now is probably a good idea. If you want to save some, simply store it so it won't corrode, it's pure already.
Many here are holding out for lower prices before jumping into metals. It's up to you.

Either way, by recycling you are doing a great thing for the environment! I support scrapping. The less that goes into landfills the better!
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When stripping wire, why can't you just burn the insulation off it in one big batch? Does burning it change the value for scrap? And an old friend of mine used to work in the salvage business. He would tear down old buildings for free just for the salvage rights. He sold the old brick (this was in new england where there are buildings with the good OLD double fired bricks) and paid for the workers with the copper....he did quite well. Don't say it can't be done, just a matter of how "enriched" with copper the site is.
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 Posted 11/05/2013  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can give this corner of the forum any name you'd like. But a pig in a dress is still a pig. And copper is not precious nor bullion. I stand by that. It's priced by the pound and moved by the ton. Anyone trying to sell you copper in troy ounces is trying to make a fool out of you. (Bullion is also .995 and higher.) At best those copper bullion pieces are fantasy bullion, I'll give it that. If I wanted a cool movie prop I would get them plated. I apologize if I've veered off-topic.
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 Posted 11/05/2013  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Colles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A lot of interesting feedback...
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Agreed that stacking copper bullion is silly. IMO, you might as well stack zinc, tin and lead.

At the same time though, I have to vote yes on salvaging/stripping/selling scrap copper wire. It may only pay small bucks, but if I made a couple/few dozen bucks on
a Sunday afternoon that I would have otherwise spent on the couch inhaling beers and getting (GASP!) even fatter, I'd consider that to be a good thing. Besides--if you
convert the proceeds into silver--at the end of the year, you'll have a stack that wouldn't have been there otherwise. This may be a PITA way to build a stack, but if it's
only costing you free time and minimal expense...why not?

On burning the insulation off of scrap wire -- the fumes that would give off are somewhere between nasty, toxic and potentially lethal. I wouldn't go that route.
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 Posted 11/06/2013  02:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Colles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After reading all of everyone's posts, which I might say I deeply and graciously thank you all for, I'm going to have to agree with FF on this one.
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A lot of interesting feedback...
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 Posted 11/06/2013  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's ok to have an opinion that copper is worthless, or just not worth stacking. I was just pointing out that his post is fine here. It's not off topic at all.

Also, bullion is defined by miriam webster as such:

1 a : gold or silver considered as so much metal; specifically : uncoined gold or silver in bars or ingots
b : metal in the mass <lead bullion>
2: lace, braid, or fringe of gold or silver threads

Metal in mass, even lead, is bullion. You definition was probably from investopedia, not a dictionary.

I'm just trying to point out that
1. This post does in fact belong here (regardless of opinion)
2. Hoarded copper IS bullion (regardless of opinion)

That being said, if you feel copper is not worthwhile, that is another thing all together. It doesn't change what the board encompasses or what the word "bullion" means.
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Every dictionary is different. I don't really buy it when people argue behind a dictionary, no offense. They change over time and they don't develop equally. 1984 is a good reason to not trust the written word. Linguists are not accountants; they look at the roots of words and don't really have to understand them to put it in their book.

I'm not saying that the topic doesn't belong in here. I'm saying that copper is not a precious metal but I'm not against scrapping if it's done ethically.

To the original poster: I paid my travel expenses through college by walking home and collecting the liquor bottles and beer cans scattered in concentrated places. If you live near any large parks, colleges or universities (party schools especially) you can scrap the aluminum and glass you find.
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Burning insulation from copper wire is illegal (federal clean air act).

If the yard accepts it, they are doing so illegally.

When burning, you lose copper weight also, so you might as will just manually strip the insulation.
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1- Copper is NOT a PM, it belongs to the base/industrial metals complex

2- unless you are doing it by the ton its a waste of time

3- there is a GLUT of copper and more on the way

4- burning it off gives toxic fumes, its illegal to burn the plastic.

5- prices will be determined whether the copper is clean/not clean sometimes also referred to as contaminated. Prices will determine on whether the salvage yards want it for starters, and how much work they have to put into it.

overall, its a waste of time. You would be better off collecting it as you found it, then offering a deal to a local scraper who in turn takes it to the salvage yard.

a fast nickel is better than a slow dime.
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 Posted 11/06/2013  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Broseph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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"Every dictionary is different. I don't really buy it when people argue behind a dictionary, no offense."


Certainly every dictionary is different. There are many definitions out there. I was merely pointing out that yours wasn't the only one. Also, I don't think anyone would argue that


Quote:

"They change over time and they don't develop equally. 1984 is a good reason to not trust the written word. Linguists are not accountants; they look at the roots of words and don't really have to understand them to put it in their book."


Actually, dictionaries do keep up with society. They are starting to change the definition of the word "literally" because people use it as a hyperbole these days.
As CNN notes: "The definition of literally is no longer the literal definition of literally. ... This is going to give grammarians a headache, literalists a migraine and language nerds a nervous breakdown."


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"I'm not saying that the topic doesn't belong in here. I'm saying that copper is not a precious metal but I'm not against scrapping if it's done ethically."


I think we can all agree that copper is not precious by any stretch of the imagination. I merely wanted to point out that any bulk metal can be considered bullion.

I didn't say you should like copper bullion, I just meant that it can be bullion. Plain and simple. I'm not "hiding behind a dictionary" I'm saying "look, enough people agree with this definition to put it in dictionary." And dictionaries change by usage of words, not just etymologies.

My uncle saves up scrap until prices are up and then cashes in. That can be considered bullion, just like what the OP is doing.

I never meant to get into a semantics debate, but when people try to say that someone is incorrectly using a word when that person is in fact using the word correctly, I tend to jump in. Sorry if it went to far.
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