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Valued Member
United States
315 Posts |
Im trying to start a business. My basic model is selling individual proof coins at $2 per. Is this unrealistic? I believe pennies can easily hot this, I'm not sure about other coins. Halves and Ike's appear to be $3 per proof easily.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4591 Posts |
Well, basic business 101... What is the market? Who are your customers? Why will they buy from YOU, vs. ebay or ? Second will you make money at it? Your costs are the classics.... COGS (Costs of Goods Sold) - i.e. what will it cost you to buy the coins to resell SG&A (Selling and General Administrative) Rent Utilities Insurance Advertising Postage & Supplies Interest on a business loan (working capital isn't free) If those add up to about the sales (income) or more that you make it's a hobby not a business
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3167 Posts |
Take a look on ebay. Some of those prices can be hard to beat if you want to make it worth your while. In my past experience, it is really difficult to make any money on single US proofs. There are certainly other areas that you could make more in, but its worth a shot! Good luck!
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Valued Member
 United States
315 Posts |
Today I checked out the local swap meet. There were around 4 coin sellers, so that tells me the customer base is there. They were selling proofs at $4 each, so it looks good so far. The best dealers had the coins in cardboard flips, it looks like I can get saflips or coin envelopes for 2-7 cents apiece. I don't want to deal with the cardboard ones, but the presentation looked good.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4591 Posts |
OK, so "car boot sales" (swap meets, I just love the British term) have a different economics, since there's no established premises to pay rent on.
Still have to worry about the cost of goods sold - where are you going to consistently buy the coins for sale? Your other major expense is the table/space rental.
Were the proofs the ONLY thing being sold by these dealers or did the have a variety of merchandise and the $4 proofs were just part of the merchandise? A lot of things may be profitable as part of a mixture that are not profitable by themselves (marginal vs. average cost).
So... In a 6 hour sale, you need to sell enough to cover the rental and pay yourself a decent wage - something more than the $8 an hour or so you can earn flipping burgers (we'll leave taxes for lesson 2).
COGS $2/coin + $0.05 for the flip. Selling price $4. Gross profit $1.95ea. Say rent is $50, so you need to clear $110 or sell 56-57 coins. One every 10 minutes.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Pillar of the Community
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You'll have to do a lot more than sell proofs at swap meets to make it. Honestly, I always recommend focusing on collecting and knowledge acquisition for at least 3-5 years before getting deep into the selling side of things. After 5 years, I'm now just beginning to dabble in ebay sales.
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Bedrock of the Community
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ebay or Ecrater is about the only place it would make sense if you can buy them cheap enough. Even then you wouldnt be making anything close to a living just some extra spending money here and there. Unless you live in some proof collector hot spot youd be lucky to get your fee back most places for any type of physical shop
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Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
The only "unrealistic" part is thinking a market exists for what you propose to sell.
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Valued Member
 United States
315 Posts |
Yep. I am hopful though looking at ebay sales for proof rolls and series. Nickles and dimes are weakest but pennies and quarters are very robust. Cost side looks good on paper, I followed earlier advice about buying sets at $1 over face. Break even point is selling a 5 coin set for $3.25. Thank goodness I didnt buy silver, margins are really low. I'm getting clads so cheaply in bulk I can dump them to dealers and break even.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3843 Posts |
According to a few trusted dealers that I have spoke with, the profit is in buying accumulations and collections from the general public. That is what keeps the doors open for most brick and mortar coin shops, selling coins from that storefront for retail is a secondary concern and is just gravy if they are able to purchase enough.
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Valued Member
 United States
315 Posts |
Yep, buy low/sell high is my plan. But I think I may have hamstrung myself, 5 coin proofs suddenly shot up especially in the 80s and 90s on ebay.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4591 Posts |
ANY business based on purchasing your goods on ebay will fail. As best you end up - on average - paying above wholesale. Can you cherry pick an occasional good purchase? Sure? But long term, enough to make a living at $1/coin. No way.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Valued Member
 United States
315 Posts |
Buying at $1 coin, selling at 2.
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Moderator
 United States
15428 Posts |
IMHO there is no long term market for what you propose to sell ...
Perhaps a few proofs could be sold for 2x your cost ... but what about fees, taxes and shipping costs?
Politely suggest that this is not a sustainable business model ...
David
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Don't forget state sales tax if it applies to you and capital gains taxes. Your business model seems a bit unrealistic to me. Proof sets are very cheap where I live and are very often sold by the dozens at below wholesale prices so for you to expect a profit you are in competition with many people and most of those people sell many other products also. Good luck though.
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