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I can see Kennedys bust coming through the back of this half dollar. It isn't very prominent, but it is definitely there. Is this common on proof halves? The Ike is like that too, but pics aren't as good.

1976-S-Kennedy/Ike

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It is a form of die wear, you can see some extreme examples on early Lincoln wheaties. However, you have the Uncirculated versions, not proofs.
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If that 76 Ike is not a proof
then it's a very nice type 1 business Ike.
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However, you have the Uncirculated versions, not proofs.


They are both 40% silver proofs from a damaged mint set.

So it is die wear, not a die clash? Thanks, I will have to research die wear some more and see if I can find more examples on Bi-centennial Halves.
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PIDT - Progressive Indirect Design Transfer; we discussed it in the context of my 3c Silver here: https://goccf.com/t/160905
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They are both 40% silver proofs from a damaged mint set.
No, they are both 40% silver uncirculated coins from a special three piece mint set. The proofs came in a special three piece proof set. The original packaging is very different, as are the coins.
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Yes jbuck, biokemist, you are right, my mistake. It was an advertisement in the mint set that mentions the proof set too. So mine is from the uncirculated silver mint set. My apologies.
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I think I have heard that called "ghosting" before. I have a lincoln or two that looks the same.
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Yes "ghosting" is another term for it. It would be HIGHLY unlikely for this to occur on a proof coin. The dies just aren't used long enough before they are retired for this to happen. (You might see it on proofs from the 50's and early 60's when they used proof dies longer and would sometimes repolish them and put them back into use.)
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It was an advertisement in the mint set that mentions the proof set too. So mine is from the uncirculated silver mint set. My apologies.
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Ok biggest question. Is it worth sending in for grading and slabbing?
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You will find that opinions vary, but in mine, no.

However, you should know that I believe the only purpose for submitting any coin is to authenticate it. I give zero added value to a slabbed coin.
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@jbuck. Unlike me, you must have great faith in your grading abilities. Me on the other hand, need to rely mostly on what other say a coin grades. I have explored coin grading and just because I understand it, doesn't mean I am any good at it. (which I'm not lol) PCGS's photograde is awesome, but I find myself off quite a bit most of the time. I'm sure, with more experience I will get better.
One more thing, I know I ask a lot of questions, sorry,
If it is graded would they list the coin as a ghost error or PIDT, or is this just another one of those oddities?
Thanks for all the great replies! Very much appreciated.
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Unlike me, you must have great faith in your grading abilities.
I have zero faith in my grading abilities.

I acquire coins using overall eye appeal, not technical grade. When deciding what I am willing to pay, I will estimate a grade based solely on how it looks to me. Since I never sell anything, I have no desire to know the technical grade.

Make sense?
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The grading fees would exceed the value of the coins and since PIDT is just a form of die wear, TPGs would attribute it on a slab label.
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I think you mean would NOT indicate it on the label.
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