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leadenhall New Member United States 16 Posts	Posted 11/14/2013 04:08 am Hi, I recently got this coin with the description as follows: Austria Germany Scarce 6 Kreuzer silver (ND) Maximilian I. 1493 - 1519 Not quite sure as the pictures I see online don't seem to match the description. Anyone familiar with this coin? Thanks in advance! Report this Post to the Staff

stratocaster Valued Member United Kingdom 240 Posts	Posted 11/15/2013 03:33 am Unfortunately I haven't got a reference book, but it seems to be what it says: http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvi...e7c1cab7a7ef http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotvi...fd809a14b0e7 legend reads: +MONETA.ARCHIDUC.AVSTRIAE +AG.CO()MITA()TUS.TI()ROLIS() Looks like it has a mounting scar, but still at 39$ seems a decent deal. Edited by stratocaster 11/15/2013 03:34 am Report this Post to the Staff
leadenhall New Member United States 16 Posts	Posted 11/18/2013 03:11 am Cool, great information. Thank you. Any idea what the Ag. Co Mita Tus line means? Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16867 Posts	Posted 11/18/2013 04:25 am "Comitatus Tirolis" translates to "County of Tyrol". I'm not entirely sure what "AG" means; if I had to guess, I'd say it is abbreviation for "ARGENTVM" (silver) and belongs with "MONETA" on the other side. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
leadenhall New Member United States 16 Posts	Posted 11/18/2013 05:02 am Cool. Very interesting. The other side is Archduke of Austria Mint (per Google translate) so the silver idea seems very likely. Thanks for the info! Report this Post to the Staff
austrokiwi Pillar of the Community 2087 Posts	Posted 11/18/2013 05:11 am Te description is interesting as it takes an English speaking world view point. What I refer to is the fact that the descriptions suggests Austria was German. The fact is at that time Austria was the center of a growing empire. What we understand as Germany did not exist until the later part of the 19th century. I only raise this to highlight the different perspective( not to argue) Report this Post to the Staff
stratocaster Valued Member United Kingdom 240 Posts	Posted 11/18/2013 2:47 pm Moneta in Latin does not necessarily mean mint. It was first used as an attribute to goddess Juno, meaning 'the one who warns', and Juno Moneta was the protector of funds and therefore her temple was the place where money was struck in early Rome. Moneta therefore, rather than Mint in general, usually refers specifically to the Temple of Juno Moneta. During the Middle Ages, moneta became the root for monnaie (French), moneta (Italian), moneda (Spanish), moneda (Romanian), moeda (Portuguese) etc. So moneta was preferred instead of nummum/s (which meant coin and gave numismatics). So my hypothesis is that MONETA on coins generally means coin and not mint. Also, I subscribe to Sap's assumption that AG is to be read in conjunction with MONETA and means silver coin. Report this Post to the Staff
philadelphian Pillar of the Community United States 3253 Posts	Posted 11/18/2013 7:19 pm I don't know about that. I think the Ag designation for silver was for the periodic table of the elements. Most references I see for this coin transcribe the legend as AC COMITATVS TIROLIS. I'm finding some medieval and Renaissance Latin texts that suggest this may be one legend front and back: Mint of the Archduchy of Austria and the county of Tyrol. Take this 1624 text, for instance: http://books.google.com/books?pg=PR...&output=html Edited by philadelphian 11/18/2013 7:21 pm Report this Post to the Staff
leadenhall New Member United States 16 Posts	Posted 11/19/2013 03:10 am Wow all, thanks for the really interesting information. In these discussions a question that comes to mind is whether it was common to put symbols of the main metal of the coin on the coin itself? Report this Post to the Staff
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