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ok same deal... about a 75 minute soak with some occasional swirling. I took a Qtip dipped in acetone and rolled it around the edge. A little bit of grime came off. I repeatedly rolled it over the fingerprint area and the green areas with no apparent residue coming off on the qtip. It was still perfectly white afterwards. Do I need a much longer soak? The green stuff doesn't want to come off..



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As I suspected, it's toning. More obvious from your recent images. You can let it soak for a day or two just to be on the safe side.
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As I suspected, it's toning. More obvious from your recent images.


I'm going to say this again.

Silver doesn't tone that color. Especially not as the standalone color on the coin. Anyone who can look at the area above LIBERTY and see "toning" needs to recalibrate their knowledgebase. That's_not_toning.

There exists a remote possibility that it's verdigris (or some other external substance) and not PVC byproduct contamination, in which case acetone won't help (but won't hurt). But you have to assume it's the worst case, especially when the treatment can do no harm. However, 75 minutes is in no way long enough to make a dent in something this bad, if it's PVC. The first soak should be an overnight, and you're going to need something a bit stiffer than a Q-tip to work it. Use a toothpick to start with, preferably while the coin is still immersed.
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Stev18, a friend ask me to evaluate a collection which included a complete Washington quarter set, even a 1932 D & S. They were in a very old folder one of original companies. When I took the coins out to examine under a loupe it looked like a coating on them. I asked about it here at CCF and was told the old folders gave out PVC. There were a couple coins that looked like verdigris on them. Using the Q-tip and dabbing the coin the residue was on the Q-tip. I then soaked the coins one by one in acetone. Took better than a week. Bought a new folder and gave them back.
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I'm betting in-hand that color is more emerald green. A green not dissimilar to the darker areas on this coin;

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Remember, these are amateur photos of a mishandled coin we're seeing. We also see some borderline terminal toning on the coin, with that flat black toning in some areas.

OP, does it look fuzzy on the surfaces, or does light reflect cleaning underneath them? I'm not sure, honestly, but my inclination is still to think toning, and while that color is rare and more indicative of Env Damage than natural, market-acceptable toning, it just doesn't look like PVC to me. Especially after some exposure to acetone, PVC lightens even more. I disagree regarding the effects of a 75 minute soak, I think that should have been sufficient to at least partially (Maybe only like, 2%, but still) neutralize some of the PVC, if that is what it was... whereas toning wouldn't be affected at all.

Look at the pictures in post 14... the reverse, that is toning around the eagles tail, not PVC. I'm betting the obverse has the same thing going on. OP, can you get a closer shot of the top of Liberty's head, where that green is most prevalent? Try to get it in the light and in focus much like the Eagles tail area in this image;

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OK these pictures are just a few different angles and the best I can do with my camera. I wasn't aware that the soak should have been overnight. I will put the coin back in acetone tommorrow. In my opinion the green areas are not flattened by the color, but again I'm an amateur. I will try with a differen setup tomorrow. The only PVC coins I have seen are lincolns and the green is a deep flat drab green...



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Not sure what all the fuss is about - we're talking about an 1882 Morgan in, best case, AU condition.

Won't hurt to soak it in acetone overnight but I don't think a common date coin in AU needs to be aggressively conserved
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I'm betting in-hand that color is more emerald green. A green not dissimilar to the darker areas on this coin;


The further images - combined with thinking not affected by a total of 7 hours' sleep between Thursday morning and Sunday morning - leave me tending to agree with you. It's very_rare for a single color of toning to appear on a silver coin, save the original yellowish or the end-stage black, but not completely unheard-of. The last image posted has a tremendously different appearance than the OP, which scared me to death.
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Yay we can all get along now. The real purpose got a little lost here... Is this around au 55 and if so how did I do paying $32 for it? :)
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Low AU, big fingerprint, unflattering color, and common year...not seeing much of a premium for condition
On the other hand finding any Morgan with decent details for around $30 can sometimes be pretty hard to accomplish, if you like the coin 32 isn't terrible
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