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1952 1 Cent Variety? High 2 Low 2

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 Posted 11/18/2013  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cownick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All 10 examples are the high 2.
The search is on for a PL high 2.
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 Posted 11/18/2013  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps we can start a running total on these just like in the thread about the 1932 5 cents (kidding!)

Seriously, it would be great to get data from people with rolls of 1952 cents so that wecan get some meaningful population data.
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 Posted 11/18/2013  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ningcumpoop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That sounds good Smallcentguy. I guess we would have to confirm the high 2's though in some way. I'm still not sure all 10 so far are indeed high 2's. #'s 2,4,5,8,9, and 10 look ok to me and pennyman007 and cownick gives a to all. Could use more feedback on those yet. If everyone could post a pic if they find one then we could give a or a. If the 10 above are good then that makes 11 out of 1200 total so far = 0.9%
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 Posted 11/25/2013  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I am beginning to have second thoughts about this variety. I wonder if perhaps the appearance of a high 2 is due to wear along the bottom of the base of the two.

I was pretty sure that I had found a couple of high 2s on ebay, but upon delivery I found that they were not high. The photos were deceiving--not intentionally--but deceiving nonetheless.

I wonder if one of those clever people who can superimpose photographs can tell if the "high 2" appears to be a high 2 because of a smaller than normal base or whether other aspects of the 2 are higher as well.
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 Posted 11/26/2013  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ningcumpoop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In hand, it definitely looks higher. I have another batch of 1952's to go through here and I will post any new finds with a normal low 2 beside. I will try to get the photo's at the same angle etc. to eliminate the illusion effect. I hope to get to them this weekend.
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 Posted 11/28/2013  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add freemike1115 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think this might be one but I only have 1 52 I am a newbie collector

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 Posted 11/28/2013  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this variety listed in any catalogue?
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 Posted 11/28/2013  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ningcumpoop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't seen it listed anywhere. We are still uncertain if there is in fact any difference or just our eyes playing tricks on us. I will post results soon for the next batch of about 700-800 coins.
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 Posted 11/29/2013  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add freemike1115 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Every time I look at this it looks different to me !!
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 Posted 11/29/2013  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennysaver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I only have 50 or so 1952's, but I see what you're getting at. From what I can tell there is usually some shadowing down near where the number joins the field, and this can cause some confusion just as to where the base of the 2 actually lies. Combine that with the fact that the top surface of the 2 (that is, the most raised portion) may be flattened or worn down some, causing it to apparently be shifted in position, and you end up with a 2 that looks like it is slightly closer or farther than other devices on the coin. The effect is very slight, but enough that my eyes are going buggy trying to see if there truly is any difference at all. I think what we really need to see is some high-grade examples to get a better idea if this variety actually exists or not. Personally I haven't heard of any single digits of the KGVI series being inserted into the die separately, so I don't know if the high/low 2 has any chance at being an existent variety.
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 Posted 12/01/2013  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ningcumpoop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you guys are right, it is just trickery with the eyes. I went through another 750 1952's here and found 1 that appeared to be high but after taking pics of the coin at different angles...I'm not convinced either. As pennysaver mentioned, the shadowing makes it look higher and the wear on the coin makes the top look higher.

I think we can lay this idea to rest. Here is a pic of the most recent.

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And here is a "normal"

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Even though the few High 2's that I've found still look High in hand, if the pictures can't consistently capture the alleged highness then there will be great difficulty convincing anybody that there is in fact a difference. At least with the 1929 high 9 and 1932 far 2 nickel, there is a measurable difference.

I will keep scanning rolls in the future and set aside any that look obviously higher.

Here is the last coin upside down....


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 Posted 12/02/2013  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennysaver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep at it, Ningcumpoop -- that's the way new varieties are found. Who knows? You may find a high/low variety for sure; I'd love it if you did!
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