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Wheat Cent Population Census

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 Posted 11/27/2013  05:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCbass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not to stir the pot, but has any thought been given to the hoards of wheats that are dumped back into circulation when someone passes away and the kids dump the Bucket load of wheats? I have personally hit a few of those myself. I realize its small, but that's one way the stock in circulation gets refreshed. Just trying to help and not being critical. Statistics is fascinating as a game.
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Cbass, these hoards of wheats being dumped is one of the reasons cent roll hunting still exists. Without a continuing flow of wheat cents being added from circulation, the combination of newly minted cents and CRH pulls would drive the circulating wheat population down exponentially.

Now I'm not saying that dumped collections are the ONLY reason, just anyone with a coin jar containing a wheat or two cashing it in is contributing to a new pool of potential finds. They are out there, but not forever. We will reach the peak wheat crisis someday, but fortunately Wheaties are constantly being fed into circulation...
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 Posted 11/27/2013  06:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCbass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i was trying to question whether you had figured any of that into the equations ya'll are running? there likely needs to be some sort of fudge factor when doing your math for replenishment. you seem to only be accounting for what disappears. or maybe I missed something.
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The proof for our replenishment theory is the difference between actual find rates and the projected normal attrition at a fixed rate. There's a huge difference. BStrauss3 and I figured that in a perfect world where there was no hoarding or collection dumps and the wheat population depreciated at a fixed rate, by now there should be 1 wheat per 4000 cents.

As you can see by my poll, that is definitely not the case.
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 Posted 11/27/2013  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCbass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Roger that
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Absolutely... I suspect if we had true historical data the find rate would have drifted down until the advent of the coinstar type machines made it feasible to replenish the pot from everone's coin jars. ESPECIALLY the cent hoarders in a coffee can.
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The proof for our replenishment theory is the difference between actual find rates and the projected normal attrition at a fixed rate.


I would enjoy reading both of your analysis on this topic ... replenishment supporting current find rates of LWC.

I've shared my honest find statistics and my theory on 'circulation obsolescence' ... agreed that my data set is just one of many to add to the equation.

Looking forward to any future updates where you might revise my estimate of LWC in circulation.

Appears so far that I am the only contributor to offer a number.

That said ... you make a very strong statement on 'proof for our replenishment theory' ...

I would very much enjoy viewing your data that supports this 'proof' ... how do you both know with verifiable data that replenishment is contributing to the current LWC circulating population?

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The truth is, there is no VERIFIABLE data for the replenishment, it is just a hypothesis. There is nothing else I can think of that would cause the Wheat cent find rates to be abnormally high EXCEPT replenishment. Any other logical theories would surprise me.

And for our other data on this, it can be found on my thread called "I got a solid box of 2013s. Now what?" Could someone post a link? I haven't quite figured out how to do it on my tablet...

Real interesting stuff BStrauss and I came up with.
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I average 3-4 wheat cents per box but I didn't add this to the poll.
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So far, the weighted average is a little over 10 LWC's per box, for all respondents.
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