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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Not to stir the pot, but has any thought been given to the hoards of wheats that are dumped back into circulation when someone passes away and the kids dump the Bucket load of wheats? I have personally hit a few of those myself. I realize its small, but that's one way the stock in circulation gets refreshed. Just trying to help and not being critical. Statistics is fascinating as a game.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
2368 Posts |
Cbass, these hoards of wheats being dumped is one of the reasons cent roll hunting still exists. Without a continuing flow of wheat cents being added from circulation, the combination of newly minted cents and CRH pulls would drive the circulating wheat population down exponentially.
Now I'm not saying that dumped collections are the ONLY reason, just anyone with a coin jar containing a wheat or two cashing it in is contributing to a new pool of potential finds. They are out there, but not forever. We will reach the peak wheat crisis someday, but fortunately Wheaties are constantly being fed into circulation...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1217 Posts |
i was trying to question whether you had figured any of that into the equations ya'll are running? there likely needs to be some sort of fudge factor when doing your math for replenishment. you seem to only be accounting for what disappears. or maybe I missed something.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
2368 Posts |
The proof for our replenishment theory is the difference between actual find rates and the projected normal attrition at a fixed rate. There's a huge difference. BStrauss3 and I figured that in a perfect world where there was no hoarding or collection dumps and the wheat population depreciated at a fixed rate, by now there should be 1 wheat per 4000 cents.
As you can see by my poll, that is definitely not the case.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4593 Posts |
Absolutely... I suspect if we had true historical data the find rate would have drifted down until the advent of the coinstar type machines made it feasible to replenish the pot from everone's coin jars. ESPECIALLY the cent hoarders in a coffee can.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: The proof for our replenishment theory is the difference between actual find rates and the projected normal attrition at a fixed rate. I would enjoy reading both of your analysis on this topic ... replenishment supporting current find rates of LWC. I've shared my honest find statistics and my theory on 'circulation obsolescence' ... agreed that my data set is just one of many to add to the equation. Looking forward to any future updates where you might revise my estimate of LWC in circulation.  Appears so far that I am the only contributor to offer a number. That said ... you make a very strong statement on 'proof for our replenishment theory' ... I would very much enjoy viewing your data that supports this 'proof' ... how do you both know with verifiable data that replenishment is contributing to the current LWC circulating population?  David
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
2368 Posts |
The truth is, there is no VERIFIABLE data for the replenishment, it is just a hypothesis. There is nothing else I can think of that would cause the Wheat cent find rates to be abnormally high EXCEPT replenishment. Any other logical theories would surprise me. And for our other data on this, it can be found on my thread called "I got a solid box of 2013s. Now what?" Could someone post a link? I haven't quite figured out how to do it on my tablet...  Real interesting stuff BStrauss and I came up with.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
519 Posts |
I average 3-4 wheat cents per box but I didn't add this to the poll.
Edited by o-train 11/30/2013 7:44 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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So far, the weighted average is a little over 10 LWC's per box, for all respondents.
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