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WARNING
CHEMICALS CAN HARM YOUR HEALTH

Skin and Bone dissolves
Gold will dissolve
Mixing is dangerous
Do not add water


Do not attempt to experiment with acid.




I was looking at an auction of Nickels by Bobby131313

http://cgi.ebay.com/US-COINS-40-191...OT_W0QQitemZ260131092157QQcmdZViewItemQQssPageNameZRSS:B:SRCH:US:102

A roll of Buffalo nickels...some with 'Acid Restored Dates'.

I had never seen an 'acid retored date' before, but could easily see the discolouration on the coin.

Why did the person trying to restore the date not dip the whole coin in the acid so the date section didn't look so odd?

Are these coins now...just about worthless?

How does the acid bring up a date that has been worn off?

I think I saw something like this on a "CSI" TV show, with car engine numbers that were filed off, I'm amazed that it works on coins also.

I suppose that a 'no-date' coin is of very little value anyway.
Does this 'acid date coin' get a higher price than a 'no date coin'? Or are they considerd identified (year) but damaged?

Edited: to put in the warnings of the dangers of using acid.
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06/25/2007 5:44 pm
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I'd bet an acid restored 1918/7 5c would be a little more than worthless.
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I think the acid, more than bring up a date, disolves the metal around the date and IMO an acid date coin is worth more than a date less coin.
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What sort of acid do they use? I have a few of these coins I would like to try it on.

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There are numerous Acids that would do that. However, they are rather dangerous to use in concentrated forms. If you can aquire some Nitric or HydroChloric Acids a small amount should work. Weaker Acids will do very little. Sulfuric is a basically Organic reactive Acid so also, will do little. In most instances the coin is basically ruined but as already pointed out, an acid restored date is better than no date. But going from .05 to .06 is not worth the expense of the Acid.
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quote:
How does the acid bring up a date that has been worn off?

The technique should work on any die-struck or compressed metal object. I believe it's caused by the fact that the metal underneath where the date used to be is slightly less compressed than the surrounding metal, because the date (being higher) was squeezed less by the dies. The metal that's been squeezed more is slightly less resistant to chemical attack than the surrounding metal, and is dissolved away faster.

Nitric acid or a mixture containing it (such as dilute aqua regia) would probably work best on a cupronickel coin.

Edit: Dang. Beat to the punch by just carl.
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Biggest reason for the use of the acid date nickels is it is much less expensive to obtain more valuable coins. I for one, will never have a full set of buffaloes, walking liberties, mercury head dims, etc. Just too much expense and not the biggest priority compared to other things going on.

That being said, I have seen 2 complete acid date sets of buffaloes that even included the great three legged and other key dates. obviously not as nice as the real thing, but surprising enough, seeing a complete set, with all the same was actually not all that bad!
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I have hydrocloric acid at home (for the swimming pool), I'll have to give it a go. Thanks.

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Nitric acid or a mixture containing it (such as dilute aqua regia) would probably work best on a cupronickel coin.

DO NOT try this unless you know what you are doing. Aqua Regia is a properly mixed combination of Nitric and Hydrochloric Acids and must be done in a certain sequence and in a certain proportion. It ends up forming Nitrosyl Chloride NOCl+Cl2+HOH. If improperly mixed you may not want to see the results. In fact you may never see any results of anything. DO NOT attempt to mix chemicals you are not aware of the results.

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Chemistry 101

Do not try to dilute sulphuric acid by putting water in it
The reaction may cost you an eye

On the other hand I saw the film with the restored motor number that was filed off
The comprssion difference gives a porosity difference and it looked like in the film they used a creeping colored oil to read the chassis number
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If you use Aqua Regia, be careful of your wedding band. Aqua Regia will dissolve both Gold and Platinum.

Gold is interesting because it won't dissolve in Nitric Acid or Hydrochloric Acid, but mix the two acids and they dissolve the gold. It's a destructive test to see if your gold jewelry is really gold.
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I do not think it is a test
The mixture will dissolve anything but rock I think
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quote:
If you use Aqua Regia, be careful of your wedding band. Aqua Regia will dissolve both Gold and Platinum.


I would think if one was using Aqua Regia, the least of your worries would be your jewelry- your skin and bone will be gone before the jewelry dissolves
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Wow! Thanks for the warning about chemicals, I will revise my origional post with a warning. "Acid" does not sound like something anyone should use without knowing exactly what will be the reaction and taking all the safety precautions.

Skin and Bone dissolves
Gold will dissolve
Mixing is dangerous
Do not add water

and the result is to make a .05cent coin worth .06 cents, not worth the price of the acid or the danger that you put yourself in by handling these dangerous chemicals.
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The part of the test that distinguishes gold, is that most gold imitations will react to either Hydrochloric or Nitric Acid, whereas gold does not.

I don't want to give anyone a false sense of security, but giving large exagerations as to what can happen with skin and various chemicals does not help the cause of safety. Nitric, Aqua Regia, Hydrochloric will not dissolve your skin on contact. Ammonia and Sodium Hydroxic do start to dissolve skin on contact (it's what gives them a slippery feeling) but not as fast as some here are implying.

Please understand this though, these chemicals can cause chemical burns on contact. Most require a certain exposure time to cause serious damage, and all strong acids/bases are capable of requiring hospitalization. The most severe cases involve inhalation of the fumes as the mucuous membranes/lungs are extremely sensitive. For some, a single whiff of the chlorine gas coming off of muratic acid is enough to require hospitalization.

Exagerating the effects will cause people to not take the warnings seriously. Before anyone attempts to utilize any chemical, they should google for the chemical name and "MSDS". Read the entire Material Safety Data Sheet before buying the chemical. This will not only educate the user on what precautions to take and how to dispose of the used chemical, but educate the user on what to do if they have an accident.

For those without experience in chemical safety, the best recommendation is to only work with small quantities after reading up on the chemical. Don't try to save money by ordering the 1 gallon supply of 18N HCL. Rather play it safe and order the 8oz. bottle of NIC-A-Date.

For those wondering which acid is better, I'm guessing it's HCL as it dissolves Nickel, but not copper, which hopefully guarantees that you only ruin the surface of your nickel and don't accidentally dissolve the entire nickel.
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Would this work on a Standing Liberty quarter I have that has a completely rubbed off date?
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