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 Posted 12/10/2013  08:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all, I'm wondering if anyone has done the sums already ( hopefully to avoid having to do it myself) to see what the outlay would be to buy all the various RAM themed and NCLT coins each year? I have only bought a small portion of coins issued this year (including some PNCs) and can't believe how much I have spent for 2013.

Does anyone else out there suffer from "coin issue overload"?

I want to keep collecting (within my limited budget) for the enjoyment of it, but I haven't been able keep up with it for the last few years. It is rather nice when I jag buying a particular coin that immediately increases in value, but I know this isn't the norm and I know I won't make millions by collecting mint issues.

But I also dabble in stamps - especially first day of issues - and had hoped to jag some that will increase in value too. I had that bubble officially burst the other week when I bought the entire sets for 1981 and 1983 to keep as 40th birthday presents for my sons. I paid $4.95 for each set with free postage on ebay. All in perfect mint condition and way below face below.

Good buy for me, but it fizzled a lot of my hopes for the worth of my stamp and coin collections in the long term. Sigh ...

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 Posted 12/11/2013  12:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add spg1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I gave up on the RAM issues years ago. Too much issued to frequently.

Now I just keep the circulation issues & $1 commemoratives (also $2, 50c & 20c comm).

A quick Maccas calculation for the complete set of $1 commemoratives: $3850.....ish

Not sure about stamps, can't help you there.





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 Posted 12/11/2013  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was some time in the late 70s that governments realised what a rich source of revenue collectors are. Since then the RAM and Australia Post have made huge quantities of product aimed at collectors. The vast majority of which would be lucky to keep the value of it's issue price.

I only really collect circulation coins and pre decimal stamps. There are a few exceptions but I'm not expecting to make any money out of what I have heard described as "Granny Bait" (NCLT coins)
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 Posted 12/11/2013  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I stopped collecting all NCLT a few years ago. Trying to keep up with everything the RAM puts out would keep a person broke forever.

I don't even bother with the yearly draw for the Gold coin either.
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 Posted 12/12/2013  02:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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 Posted 12/12/2013  02:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seriously though, my interest was renewed in coin and stamp issues over the last few years as I see them being phased out in the next decade or maybe sooner. I see them going the same way as phone cards (and the phone booths themselves) which were 95% phased out quickly and without much warning.

I believe that the coins and stamps of the next decade will be historical rarities for my descendants and hopefully worth a buck or two in 100 years time.

Or am I just looney and/or taking the Granny bait?
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 Posted 12/12/2013  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Seriously though, my interest was renewed in coin and stamp issues over the last few years as I see them being phased out in the next decade or maybe sooner. I see them going the same way as phone cards (and the phone booths themselves) which were 95% phased out quickly and without much warning.

It is a fallacy to think that just because something is old and obsolete, that makes it valuable. The law of supply and demand makes things valuable. If there is no demand, it does not matter how rare something is; if no-one wants it, it is not valuable.

Consider two things which were once commonplace everyday objects but are now obsolete: swords and oil lamps. How many people today have ever even seen a sword, or an oil lamp, let alone owned one? Very few. The "collector base" for such things is virtually nil; only a few eccentrics collect them. Their value is, therefore, much lower than one might expect for old, obsolete things.

Once coinage itself becomes functionally obsolete and a generation comes along that knows not what these "coin" things are, then collecting coins will no longer be a "normal" part of civilization. Only a few eccentrics will collect coins, and prices will go down, or up much slower than you might otherwise expect.

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I believe that the coins and stamps of the next decade will be historical rarities for my descendants and hopefully worth a buck or two in 100 years time.

Examine the hundred-year-old things that are truly valuable, in whatever collectables field you might have an interest in, and you will find a common thread: the things that are most valuable tend to be the things that nobody thought were worth keeping. A good case in point, for coins, are 1927 florins. Everybody kept the Canberra florin, so they're cheap and readily available in mint condition. Virtually nobody kept "normal" 1927 florins, so they're much more valuable compared to Canberra florins in the same condition, despite having a much higher mintage.

So if you want to find things that will be valuable in 100 years time, find things that (a) are physically capable of lasting for 100 years - I personally have my doubts about the survivability of slabbed coins, PNCs and bimetallic coins - and (b) despite being survivable, nobody is trying to keep them. The Canberra florin teaches us that things specifically made to be kept are less likely to become valuable. The 1934-5 florin teaches us the exception: if numbers produced are so small and demand so great that the law of supply and demand outweighs the simple fact that virtually all of them have survived in mint condition.

With 1934-5 florins, which are the truly valuable ones? The ones that are still in the little Foys bags they were sold in. Why? Back to the first rule: nobody back then thought keeping the bag would be important to future value, so virtually nobody kept the bag.
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 Posted 12/13/2013  06:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add awildeheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for the comments. I love the way you present logical responses Sap.

Think I'll just focus mainly on noodling and save my bucks ... but maybe shell out for selective RAM purchases now and then ...

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 Posted 12/13/2013  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We have the recent example of the $1 and $2 notes which were obseleted in the 1980s. The last issues of these notes are extremely common because everybody hoarded them.



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find things that (a) are physically capable of lasting for 100 years - I personally have my doubts about the survivability of slabbed coins, PNCs and bimetallic coins


I can see why PNCs and bimetallic coins might spoil over time due to reactions between the different materials that they are made of. But slabbed coins? I would have thought inert plastic would be one of the safest ways of storing coins.

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