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Where Is The Numismatic Market?

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I have been collecting coins for a few years on and off, but I am clearly still a novice and have been out of the loop through most of it. I am getting back into it now and I was wondering where is the coin market now with respect to prices. Is it up or down or steady? Thanks for the input.
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Since the State Quarters came out, there are now about 150 mil people in the U.S. that would term themselves coin collectors. This has driven prices up on many types of coins.

The high end rarities, are bringing in record prices at auctions and because of these prices, many legendary collections are now being broken up and sold off at auction.

However, gold and silver are way off their highs of a few years ago. So intrinsic values of bullion and silver and gold based coins are way down. As well as proof, mint and many basic mint sets.
I think there is a huge gap developing between higher end collectible coins and your basic yearly issues.
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I would be buying everything I could find right now, had I the money. Of course this opinion is only valid for the Classic issues I'm familiar with.
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I would be buying everything I could find right now, had I the money. Of course this opinion is only valid for the Classic issues I'm familiar with.


Dave,

Could you expand on that thought a bit. Why do you feel that now is a good time to be a buyer?
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I agree with Dave right now is a much better time to be a buyer then seller. Overall most things seem to be down from even a year ago. Using ebay as an example check out some of the completed auction listings for things. There's enough examples where your first reaction is I wish I had seen that or there's no way a seller was happy with that price that it seems to become more of the norm. There was a period over the summer it seemed like things were going for half of what they should as the norm.

Simple put in a bad economy people just have less money to spend. No matter how much you love coins they don't feed your family or keep a roof over your head. Unnecessary expenses are always the first to be cut when money is tight.

Dencos right too the elite items market looks very strong right now as well. There's always going to be people who are so rich they have more money than they know what to do with isolating that market from economic factors. Lower priced items seem to sell well too right now since most people can save a couple bucks to scratch and itch or treat themselves.

It's those middle/upper middle grade items that seem to have taken the hit from what I've seen. The average Joe won't spend a couple hundred dollars lightly pricing out anyone where money is tight, but at the same time they aren't quite good enough to generally attract the huge money buyers that can afford four, five and six figure coins. To me the three figure coins are the ones taking the biggest hit as thats the buyer base that seems to have been most affected by the economic conditions.

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The coin market on whole is way down for common issues, mostly due to the drop in PM prices, but also due to the economy as a hole. Now is a good time to fill albums with common issues. Raw Libertads that I was paying $45 dollars for a couple of years ago, I am now paying $30-$35 for. Silver bullion coins that were selling for over $50 in 2011, are now selling for $22.
Even my son's MS69 Eagle collection, in 2012 we were searching out low cost coins in the $37-$50 area. Now we are picking them up for $30-$35. Even mint products in the secondary market are going for well....well below issue price. If you want to start or fill out common issues of a collection, now is the time. Of course the market for rare or hard to find issues still appears to be up there.
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I noticed that some of the key dates have gone down in the last few years. Compare prices on heritage from 2009 vs. 2013 for low grade 1916-D Mercury dimes. They are cheaper now, and by more than a little bit. 1921-P&D Walkers look to be steady or maybe a bit down since the last time I looked at them several years ago.
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Could you expand on that thought a bit. Why do you feel that now is a good time to be a buyer?


Because I've been getting my butt whipped as a seller for nearly two years now, when for the decade before I'd done rather nicely.
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I actually disagree with a lot of purchasing now. And basically for the same reason as to those quarters. That Quarter stuff started a massive amount of new collectors but not reaslly collectors. Sort of the same type of people as with Beanie Babies, Hot Wheel Cars, Sporting cards, etc. Lots of people that just jump on the so called band wagon. This has made most all coin prices sort of climb unnessarily. Then as the Quarter stuff sort of fades off, so will this new batch of so called collectors. They will slowly drop interest with those Quarters and allow what they have to sit on a shelf and collect dust. So many new companiies have started to make all sorts of Folders and Albums lately and mostly just for those Quarters. They'be been advertised on TV, magazines, newspapers, etc. This has made many, many people with no knowledge of coins run out and start collecting but mostly just stuff like those quarters. Those are the same ones that lost interest in all other temporary collections. They will slowly just stop and loose interest. As this happens the real coin prices will slowly stabilize and possibly drop.
Even companies that started to make those USA Folders for the State Quarters have stopped making those since not easy to make a folder for all the stuff now on the rear of the Quarters.
It is always a decent idea to purchase coins for a collection but right now is not a good time to get carried away with excessive buying.
I suggest you look into area coin shows and visit them. Best place to learn and discuss coins.
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I noticed that some of the key dates have gone down in the last few years. Compare prices on heritage from 2009 vs. 2013 for low grade 1916-D Mercury dimes. They are cheaper now, and by more than a little bit. 1921-P&D Walkers look to be steady or maybe a bit down since the last time I looked at them several years ago.


This relates somewhat to just carl's words, as well - the economic crash led to savvy investors almost immediately moving into precious metals/coins (causing the Herirage pricing you saw in 2009), followed shortly by the thundering herd of less-savvy investors from whom the smart ones took their profit and got out about the end of 2010. That latter group watched their investment reach peak and then decline, causing a selloff which has depressed prices to this day. That, too, will bottom, and I'm thinking that next summer might be the time to throw back in to the selling market if you're holding decent Classic coinage.

It was a double whammy, along with the influx of "maybe" collectors whom carl described. Some of them looked a little more broadly than just Quarters and added to the buying uptick of Classics. I'm willing to bet that some contributing CCF members came from this group, having been assimilated from that humble start with the State Quarters.
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