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This coin has a LOT of die polishing scratches but overall other than that a pretty clean coin - What would you think this would get graded? The OBV is worse than the REV. Its got super high lustre and to the naked eye you cant see these scratches. There are bag marks between the I and B and R and T and on the lower neck, On the REV you cant see anything with the naked eye. Thoughts?   mlgdave |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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How do you know these are die polishing scratches rather than circulation or human scratches ?
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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They look like very rough die polishing scratches to me.
Consider a working die:
All of the detail on a working die is incuse into the die face, which shows up in relief on a coin. It is noteworthy that the scratches stop abruptly at the edge of Kennedy's image, the detail below the fields on the die face are unaffected. The scratches are also incuse into the die face and would show up as tiny ridges in the fields of the coin.
A picture of the coin at MUCH greater magnification should confirm those scratches on the die face as tiny ridges on the coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I vote die polishing scratches.
They run right up to the Kennedy image.
Post-Mint polishing generally leaves a gap between the scratches and the design devices.
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Canada
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I would go MS-61
This coin really does not appel to me.
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Im with you on that Nathan, I am sending in a bunch of Kennedies and this is one I did NOT send in, the thing is when viewing with the naked eye its VERY nice, but still it didnt make the grade for me
mlgdave
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 United States
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How do you know these are die polishing scratches rather than circulation or human scratches ?
Note how they run right up and intersect with the devices, and are in some cases heaviest at the device intersection. This is due to the inevitable hand-tool additional pressure in places at the edge of a dropoff (consider a die is a negative), and is a strong sign of die polish as opposed to the alternative. It's far tougher to get a brush into that device-field intersection when it's a positive, as it is on a struck coin, especially when there's no evidence of it touching the devices themselves. That's not a definitive diagnostic but a very strong hint. Me, I love this coin. You rarely see such blatant polishing on a Modern. |
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United States
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I'm with you Dave. I've seen the same characteristics on Washingtons of that era and like you, am almost positive that this is evidence of die-polishing. People immediately freak when they see "lines" (I once did) but in reality, they're telling us an interesting story. In many ways, these are the star notes of coinage without the collector following. I'm not sure how a TPG typically considers this in relation to grading but if I remember correctly... I want to say they state they are neutral (but usually treat them as a negative up past 64). This one has blazing luster, a good strike, but a few too many dings IMHO to grade higher than a 63 or 64. |
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United States
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Quote:I'm not sure how a TPG typically considers this in relation to grading but if I remember correctly... I want to say they state they are neutral (but usually treat them as a negative up past 64). Yeah, about that but it's also somewhat series-specific. I'm going to be far harder on this Kennedy (as much as I like the look) than I would a Morgan, for instance. |
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