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Thundercoin Pillar of the Community United States 675 Posts	Posted 06/30/2007 11:51 pm I have been looking for a problem-free nice VFish Capped Bust quarter. Overall I haven't had much luck, or the coin ends up being a bit too pricey. I've been looking for certified pieces to try to avoid accidentally getting a cleaned coin. I have decided to look for uncertified ones too, hopefully to get a lower price. What do you think of this coin's grade? I don't think that it has been cleaned, any dissenters? Thanks Image: 1835_ob.jpg 24.59 KB Image: 1835_rev.jpg 26.53 KB Report this Post to the Staff

Benji Valued Member United States 459 Posts	Posted 07/01/2007 09:02 am Bust 25c in original/uncleaned is a tough task. Most that are certified have been cleaned, you would probably have a better chance finding a raw example that is original. The 1835 you have posted has been cleaned but, depending on price, looks acceptable IMO. Here is a raw 1835 example for $260 offered by EarlyUS.com Report this Post to the Staff
t360 Pillar of the Community United States 2703 Posts	Posted 07/01/2007 10:05 am I agree with Benji. Most bust quarters have been cleaned. Always assume cleaned unless you can clearly see even toning with some remaining luster. Originals will be usually somewhat dark and definitely NOT look white-washed out. They can have a richness of color embedded in gray toning, with gold, blue, and flecks of black. There can be traces of luster around the devices even in F-VF. Looking around lately, I would say there are probably original surfaces on 10% or less of coins on the market. It is unusual to see it. Once the original surface is disrupted by cleaning, the piece loses the wonderful beauty of evenly toned old silver with underlying luster. IMHO, true original surfaces in this series are worth a premium, adding half a bump to a bump up in "net" grade for valuation purposes. Edited by t360 07/01/2007 10:12 am Report this Post to the Staff
Mike Rest in Peace United States 2884 Posts	Posted 07/01/2007 2:22 pm I agree with t360 and Benji. I think that almost all of the old silver has been messed with, including most that are in tombs. A year or so ago I mailed a letter to David Hall asking flat out if PCGS dipped or cleaned coins before slabbing. After 5 or 6 requests, fielded by his secretary I basically got the run around and no answer! The whole thing actually originated on the C'U (PCGS) forum and remained unanswered there as well. I think the silence speaks for itself! I have said this many, many times over the years. There was a time, in my lifetime, when shiny was better!The degree and method of cleaning, harshness, abrasion etc.. has everything to do with a coins value but again I agree that most have been "altered" in their long lives. I have two friends that are dealers(one 40 plus years) and they will tell you the same thing. Mike Report this Post to the Staff
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