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 Posted 12/27/2013  03:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What sort of solution would any TPG used before placing coin in slab? If in fact they use it at all, it looks more like somebody wipe it with in their cotton glove hands while examining it. And see if the toning was colorized? But now it left it with more hair line like scratches.

I definitely would email ANACS this posted link, and see what their response be...
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 Posted 12/27/2013  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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My guess is ANACS rinsed it a neutralizing solution to insure the surfaces were stable and free of contamination prior to slabbing it. The solution then had a negative effect on the color/toning and we see the result as a blackeye for ANACS.

This is what I suspect. There was probably an "oil film" or something on it that caused more light play through the color and a degrease rinse removed the "oil" which made the colors more subdued.
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 Posted 12/27/2013  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There was probably an "oil film" or something on it that caused more light play through the color and a degrease rinse removed the "oil" which made the colors more subdued.


PCGS didnt think so........

Not even getting into the fact they arent upfront about the fact that ANACS isn't upfront that theyll wash/dip/clean (or whatever other word you want to use) your coins whenever they feel like it without asking your permission
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12/27/2013 3:43 pm
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 Posted 12/27/2013  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely contact them, and by phone if necessary. As well as you have documented the situation, I would guess that they would be willing to work something out with you. With all the social media, including this forum, it would be in their best interest if this had a happy ending. If I were you I'd be extremely frustrated and would do everything possible to get satisfaction. Keep us posted.
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 Posted 12/27/2013  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The problem is that he has already broken the holder...
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I don't have any delusions of them doing anything about it. I would have rather they just destroyed it or kept it and paid me the insured amount then send it back like this.
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 Posted 12/28/2013  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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PCGS didnt think so........

How do you know? They call it a details coin. All you really know is that PCGS didn't try doing anything to it. And frankly pretty much all coins have an oil film on them.
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 Posted 12/28/2013  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1893S to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What grade did ANACS give it? I like the toning it has now better than before. The blue was unnatural looking.
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I can say, having seen this coin in hand, the toning was spectacular. The coin may have had an old cleaning and re-toned, but who cares... It was still a beauty.

ANACS destroyed this coin and it's really sad.
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All you really know is that PCGS didn't try doing anything to it.


I assume if they thought the toning was a result of a sustance on it they would have removed it or not graded it. They didnt call it AT either, they said it was cleaned from an old cleaning. So I dont see how a coin would be covered in oil that had been cleaned before and had been retoning over the years with no circulation in its history.

Maybe I'm missing what youre getting at though.


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What grade did ANACS give it?


After what ever they did to it they gave it AU 58 Cleaned
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Probably just the natural progression of tarnishing after it was cracked out of the first slab.
What was it put in after you cracked it out of the first slab? A flip?
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12/28/2013 7:05 pm
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A 2x2. Its not tarnish though, the color didnt turn darker it was stripped off. Its just not there from whatever they used to clean it. I like dark tarnish id be fine with that. Its just not there.
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There's no way that rainbow tone disappears or goes mute in the month or so it takes for grading.
This coin was cleaned while in their care.

For what it's worth lol
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 Posted 12/29/2013  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Having tried to take pictures of toned coins I can tell you it is extremely difficult to capture the colors accurately let alone try to do it twice.

That being said if you vouch for the change in color (or loss there of) after submission to ANACS I would have to side with those before me who said that they may have tried to "preserve" or at least use acetone as that is what they used to mention on their website before they started their conservation service which MAY have washed a layer of previous doctoring off of your coin in order to offer a guarantee against future change to the coin once it was in their slab.

I am curious though why you would submit a PCGS details coin to ANACS rather than resubmit it to PCGS now that they offer details graded coins unless you wanted ANACS to give it a clean grade.

Of the 10 coins I submitted to ANACS the only one I was disappointed by the grade was my 1892S Barber half I found roll hunting which came back as cleaned / scratched but since I found it in a roll I have no history on the coin and who did what to it in the past and have to side with them.

Now if I got the coin from the bank back in 1892 while I lives in San Francisco and kept it in my wallet or pocket until 2013 and could guarantee that it had never been cleaned I guess I would have a case.

Hope you can work it out.

Or I guess you could send it to PCGS and they could clip your coin and offer you $5 like in the other thread but I guess everyone has a one in a million misfortune no matter what field you are dealing with or who you are dealing with.

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 Posted 12/29/2013  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I am curious though why you would submit a PCGS details coin to ANACS rather than resubmit it to PCGS now that they offer details graded coins unless you wanted ANACS to give it a clean grade.


I can tell you the coin hadnt been doctored other than its previously cleaning a long time ago the coin had been recovering from. Hondo saw it in person as well and can vouch for that. The toning used to slap you in the face when you looked in its direction, its not faded and you have to look for it.

The after pictures were the best ones from the 20 or so I took that made it look the best. I could put up numerous ones where it looks far worse.

I was the original submitter to PCGS. Over time the UNC Details grade just kind of bothered me. It was such a beauty that distracted from it for me.

If ANACS gave it a clean grade that would have been a nice surprise, but I just wanted an actual grade on it. Now I know ANACS is nothing more than ICG after the company changed hands in 09 and hired all their graders. I had some free cupons too so I figured I would send that one to get an actual grade on it since PCGS dosent give number grades for details.

Acetone wouldnt have done to the coin what they did to it. They cleaned it, theres nothing else that removed color. It wasnt painted on.

I dont expect them to do anything about it, but people should know theyll clean your coins if they feel like it and they wont ask your permission to do so.


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Or I guess you could send it to PCGS and they could clip your coin and offer you $5 like in the other thread


They offered him the insured amount when he had underinsured it to avoid their grading fees. Had it been properly insured they would have given it more.

I would have much rather ANACS destroyed the coin entirely and paid me the insured amount then destroy the value of my coin and send me back something that I hate and looks like garbage to me now.

At this point Id rather just take it to the shooting range put a hole in it and leave it there and be done with it.

ANACS should be upfront about the fact that theyll clean coins or do whatever they want to them during the process. They arent. At the end of the day its my fault for trusting a second rate company with something of value and that kind of color. Theres a reason why every significantly valued coin is in a PCGS or NGC holder. Would have been nice to be able to use ANACS for cheaper coins not worth the PCGS fee for selling, but Id send coins to PCI before them knowing what they do during their grading process.

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12/29/2013 10:46 pm
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