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Austrian Silver Coins - What Causes Scratches Over The Bust

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I've seen lots of 18th century Austrian and Hungarian coins with scratches across the bust, like this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1806-G-Aust...em565e93a269

Are they caused by excessive cleaning or is there another reason ?
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These scratches are NOT post mint damage; they are weight adjustment marks, or commonly known as simply 'adjustment marks'.
They are fairly common on European silver milled coins, and occasionally on English milled silver coins as well.

If a coin blank was underweight, it was re melted, but if it was overweight, some of the metal was filed off, and what you see here is the remains of those file marks after striking.

I presume most file marks (if weight adjustment filing was required), were completely obliterated during the striking of the coin. Not in this case.
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I got few European crowns with adjustment marks. Do you think they will make the coin less valuable ?



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I would prefer a nice coin without adjustment marks.
It is necessary, if describing a coin for auction, to mention them. I am sure that most intending bidders would see them as detracting from value, but are much less likely to lessen the value than equivalent post mint damage.
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I am sure that most intending bidders would see them as detracting from value, but are much less likely to lessen the value than equivalent post mint damage.


Most people collecting European coins from that period accept them and aren't overly concerned. Of course a coin with out adjustment marks would cost more but I for one become very suspicious when I don't see them. I suspect TPGs have a problem with Adjustment marks....in theory a coin that is otherwise perfect should be graded MS.....but many US based collectors would find considerable dissonance with such a grade with scratches.
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I'm not saying you're wrong but why would adjustment marks look like this ?

If I were the mint official and the coin was 0.5g overweight, why would I make a mark like a wire brush had been used several times ?

Wouldn't it be more efficient to use a standard tool to take a gouge out of the field ?
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Fair question, makes some sense to my mind, but filing was the way most mints chose. That is why adjustment marks are relatively easy and common to find, when you know what to look for.
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