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British Coins, Queen Victoria

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 Posted 12/27/2013  10:04 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have this coin of Queen Victoria ,1 penny 1854 .The 4 is over the 3 of 1853 .Seaby British Coins 1982 mentions only 1854 in number 3948 , Krause2009 has under number 739 3 variants. Why this difference?I can t believe it is only because my Seaby is to old.How would you grade this coin? What to think about the value given by Krause ?British-Coins,-Queen-Victoria

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 Posted 12/27/2013  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 4/3 issue I'll leave to someone more knowledgable.

But for the Seaby, well, 1982 is over 30 years ago! And as far as I know the enthusiasm for varieties, overnumbers and errors is quite a recent one. Yes, there were people who collected such things in 1982. But I suspect they relied on specialist books such as Peck's English Copper, Tin And Bronze Coins in the British Museum.

Seaby (and its replacement Spink) was just a general price guide, originally based on the stock they had to sell.

If it's any help, my (2006) Spink gives the price for an 1854/3 penny (S.3948) in Fine as £12
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 Posted 12/27/2013  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Battersea Dogs Home to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why do you say it is a 4/3? I can't see anything to suggest this. The 4/3 is also only recorded with a plain trident reverse, so this would be the first OT 1854/3 penny recorded. I would look again and recheck what you can definitely see, and not what might be.
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to Tom Goodheart : thanks for your explication , I received the book 25 years ago and I didn t know this . At the end , it will be more complicated than ancient coins .
to Battersea Dogs Home : I was comparing my coin with pictures on internet , because there is something wrong with the 4 .There I found the same coin (but very better quality) by Heritage coin auction lot 13519 and by http://www.coinsandstamps.com FC 9436 .The coin is well better in the hand than on the pic.
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 Posted 12/28/2013  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You might want to consider a new book if you're interested in British coins antwerpen?

This one (Collectors' Coins GB) is cheaper than Spink (which replaced Seaby) and is also available as a download for kindle or other electronic reader if you have one. http://www.rotographic.com/collecto..._britain.htm

Handy if you like to carry your reference material around with you!
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thank you but I am collecting greek and roman coins.I received a very big lot of coins from the great mother of my wife more than 30 years ago and I a m ordering all this ,most from Europe from the end of the 16 century until the end of the 19 c , but also coins from all over America , Africa and even China .I try to do my work with the books I have and the Internet .I am know busy with Victorian coins of British India ,with all different kinds of busts and reverses.
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 Posted 11/14/2016  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kmjca to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any verdict on what"error/ variety" this coin is? I have same one and with same 4 issue..thanks in advance
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A worn coin can make things look differently, I suspect what you think you're seeing is from the wear. Getting a close up or microscope view would help, but as above, known varieties only exist with specific die pairings. I would grade the OBV as Good to Near Fine. The bottom serif of the 4 has a wave in it that wouldn't correspond to a 3 as it's going in a different direction
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 Posted 11/15/2016  05:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pwa 1967 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An old post but not a 1854/3 as most are not ,should show to both sides at the top of the four.

Otherwise just a rubbed/re cut out four.

They are quite scarce for a good one although lots wrongly listed.
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The "Coin Yearbook 2017" ( which has only recently appeared on UK bookshop shelves ), gives the following values for 1d coins in F grade:

1854 £8

1854/3 £14

Obviously this is only a guide, but it gives a general idea.
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 Posted 11/15/2016  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kmjca to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all...very interesting stuff
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