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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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1:Muriandros Price 3225 2:Arados Price 3305 What do you think about this two ?     ? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Maybe I am wrong but those look like the same obverse dies? Are these coins from two different mints? If they are the same obverse dies then it is a very bad thing. Meaning both are fake. I would like to see some other opinions on these two.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Difficult for me to determine. I have seen some pretty rough drachms before and these may be simply 'beaten up'. Silver is not really my area. I will leave that to others who know more about them.
I have some doubts. I don't remember seeing the title Basileus written beneath Zeus before on a silver drachm.
But as I have stated ...... not my area !
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Pillar of the Community
 Belgium
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I know the two are fake,but I don t think it are fakes of the 20th century .Maybe 18/19th century and souvenirs for the Grand Tour ,people was making in that time. I have 2 or 3 coins of each .
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Believe you are correct 'Noob'. Too many points of similarity. Some minor differences but these may have been altered on a wax copy before 'investment'.
Bottom line while I see minor differences in the portrait there are too many points of similarity to be from different places. Probably intentionally roughed up to disguise the obvious signs of casting. At least the silver has some value at todays prices !
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Responded before you posted.
The thing is people doing the 'Grand Tour' thing in the 18/19th century could easily afford the 'real deal'. Collecting was not commonplace and very nice quality ancients could be acquired for nominal prices. Coin price catalogues from one hundred years ago will have quality silver coins priced at about 2 for a dollar. Some remote places like Afghanistan people were passing Alexander drachms around to buy things in the market places during the last century !
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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yes , but I am thinking at the end of the 18 beginning 19 century , nobody went to Greece (Turkish occupation) and impressions of ancient intaglios and other faked art
were sold .So why not coins.I don t understand how you can get 7/8 fake coins from the same die and two different mints.As collector you know then there is something wrong.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I couldnt date them for you (though they are well done and are certainly not within the last 20 years) but I can tell you how they've been faked...someone has made a cast coin, and then put it into a tumbler to dent it and artificially age it - this also hides the evidence of fakery.
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 United States
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I am a little confused, you asked for grading but didn't say the coins were fake until someone here told you. You than say you know they were fakes. Why would you need to grade fake coins? They have no value other than if they were made of silver than they are only worth melt value. We have a sticky section for coin grading, this is for real coins not known fakes.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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We do know of at least one 'Brit' who did some touring of Athens long ago.
With a little bit of extra pocket change he acquired some very nice souvenirs ......
To the consternation of some locals
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