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100 Reales 1950 - Real Or Not?

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 Posted 12/31/2013  4:59 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Windycity to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is this a reproduction or the real deal. Coin is an 1850 Doblon 100 Reales Isabel II but does not appear to match any of the online photos. Obverse is particularly different. It this a reproduction or am I missing something.


100-Reales-1950---Real-Or-Not?
100-Reales-1950---Real-Or-Not?
100-Reales-1950---Real-Or-Not?
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 Posted 12/31/2013  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a really crude fake
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 Posted 12/31/2013  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting thing about fake coins:
The cast copies are often true to style, but can be picked on surface texture,
The die struck copies can be picked on style, even if the die has been impact copied. That is probably the case here.

Even without an original with which to compare, the legends on the obverse give reason for concern.

That's quite apart from what all suspect coins should be tested to:
Weight
Dimensions.
Comparative ring tone test.

There are MANY other tests that can be applied.
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 Posted 01/01/2014  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikelley to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Appears to be a copy of a Madrid 100 reales piece. Believe the assayer shown OL is actually CL.

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 Posted 01/02/2014  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Windycity to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Doblon 100 reales piece is about the size of a quarter... this one is much larger than a silver dollar. Novelty piece, token, other?

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 Posted 01/05/2014  08:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moneditis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just from photographs looks fake to me
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 Posted 01/07/2014  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PatAR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for posting this item!

I think everyone understands it is certainly not a genuine 1850 Spain Isabel II 100 Reales. Precisely what it IS, is more complicated.

There were many contemporary counterfeits produced in Spain at the time. Some used base metal plated with gold or other to mimic the appearance of gold. Some actually used platinum or even lower grade gold as the planchet. Some were fairly good imitations. Others, far from it.

If the coin were closer to the proper diameter (~22.7mm) I would suggest you look at the coin in hand to see if those darker areas might be remains of a coating and confirm what the rim looks like. However, neither my experience thus far nor my quick search of the Catálogo General De La Colección De Moneda Falsa can shed much light on a coin of the size shown (~38mm). Might be worth testing the coin for rare metal in any case.

It is also possible that this is a counterfeit from much more recent times. If it were a medal I would not expect it to state a denomination. I would not think a contemporary token would have so large a denomination. Since Spain's unit of money changed several times in this period and eventually away from Reales I suppose it might have been made as a novelty item much later. Counterfeit seems most likely, but whether contemporary or modern I don't know.

If you are able to confirm what metal the coin contains please let me know. That might give us a hint to its origin.

I would be very interested if anyone can identify the origins of this and whether it is a token or a counterfeit that's just much larger than a genuine piece.
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 Posted 12/13/2014  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PatAR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I recently learned that these are modern day tokens manufactured for use at festivals and such.
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