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Unidentified Bronze Coin With Lion/Dragon/Griffin Looks Old (Id: Nuremberg Jeton)

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 Posted 01/06/2014  07:56 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CharltonBilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all and thanks for taking the time to look at this. I recently bought a lot of old (18th/19th century) coins at auction. I've identified all but this coin, if it is a coin, which looks to be copper or bronze, and around 28mm in diameter. As you can hopefully see it has a creature that looks like a lion with wings on one side, and a crest on the other, with old writing around the edge on both sides. Any help to identify it would be much appreciated.

Unidentified-Bronze-Coin-With-Lion/Dragon/Griffin-Looks-Old-Id:-Nuremberg-Jeton

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 Posted 01/06/2014  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A clearer picture would be useful, or at least the lettering written down.

The winged lion is indicative of St Mark/Venice, and the reverse looks like the standard Krauwinckel reckoning counter. See Rechenpfennig in the Glossary.
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Excellent, thanks. The only part of the writing that I can read clearly looks like 'VOMEII' and then maybe a pi Greek letter symbol. The lion does look a lot like the Lion of St Mark as you say. I will try to take clearer pics later.
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 Posted 01/06/2014  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you go to the UK Detector Find Database introductory page on Nuremberg jetons, you will find this basic type listed, under "Lion of St Mark".
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That's great. So it's a Nuremberg jeton with Lion of St Mark on one side and Imperial Orb on the other. Thanks for the assistance. What an excellent website.
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I've added two scanned images that are more clear. It would be good to identify the maker or date it more precisely, if anyone can read the writing on the edges.
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The earliest of these jetons had what are called "fictitious legends," or strings of meaningless letters. I'm always hesitant to make that call on a Nuremberg jeton, because as soon as I do, a word or name will jump out at me!
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