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What Step Would You Need To Prove A Coin Is Real

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 Posted 01/10/2014  01:45 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cheri to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
so lets say the person who found the first 1937 penny and there was not any made and no one thought it was real how would you go about getting it realised as a coin what would the steps be and lets say its a copper sheet that pennys were stamped out of how and who would need to see it to think its real so to take a piece I hope you understand what I am trying to say here thanks
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If I understand you correctly, you've got two separate questions here: "How would you authenticate a coin that mintage figures says does not exist?", and "How would you authenticate a piece of scissel?".

The first question: the short answer is, "with great difficulty". You would need several things: provable provenance going right back to the date that the coin says would be a great help. You would need some indication or theory as to why, even with zero mintage, at least one coin was minted anyway and some evidence or testimony to back this up. You would also need to allow experts in the field of which your coin is a a part to examine it, as closely as they wish for as long as they wish, in order for them to come to a meaningful conclusion.

In the case of a "1937 penny", you'd need to come up with some explanation as to how a die that was only made and used for uniface patterns somehow got attached to a normal coin press with a normal obverse die and at least one coin was struck using that pair of dies. You'd also need to allow the experts to match your coin with the known 1937 patterns; since only one 1937 reverse penny die was made, it must match - or you must come up with some explanation for the creation and subsequent disappearance from all records of a second 1937 penny die.

The second question: scissel (the scrap metal left over after a coin blank has been punched out of it) was not supposed to leave the mint; it was supposed to be recycled. Any that left the mint probably left illegally, making it technically stolen government property. It would be difficult, therefore, to get good and proper "provenance". That being said, if the size of the holes was correct for penny blanks (not actual pennies) and metallurgical analysis proved the composition matched that of the penny, then you could with some confidence say that it is indeed likely to be a piece of penny scissel. But I don't think complete, absolute certainty is a possibility.
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 Posted 01/10/2014  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcruise to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And don't forget the 3rd party market either
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