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I have been digging out some strange stuff recently but it doesn't get much stranger than this, any ideas?
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the tube is 50mm long and contains 23 of the little engraved pieces
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each one is just under 12mm dia and engraved with different images and words in English, French and Italian (well so far)
they are also mirror images, the picture above is reversed
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this one is as it appears
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 Posted 01/14/2014  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ASLAN TVorlon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weird, being in reverse makes me wonder if they were meant for printing or some sort of arts and crafts. Maybe even used to make different impressions for sealing wax on old letters.
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That is really interesting!
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I keep thinking about this, I'm wondering if one sticks out of the hole in the lid when they are all in the tube. May be missing one or two thou. I'm still thinking it is for sealing wax.

"Ever Sincere" with a quill
"Hope in Thee" and an anchor, letter to a sailor maybe.

It looks like there was something on the side of the tube, a label or seal of some kind. Can you make it out at all or is it too badly damaged?
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they don't really stick out from the tube but it is certainly full, one thought I had was that it may have been a engravers test piece for an apprentice maybe, here are a few more
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I will return & but do you know the silent

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one with no words but a picture of a scales and a very morbid one with a picture of a casket/grave with the word "Soon"

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 Posted 01/15/2014  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool find. The tube reminds me of a shell casing 50cal?
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John1, that did cross my mind being an (ex) military man myself, trench art? I would have expected there to be some military significance to the medal'ets (hell I don't know what to refer to them as)
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This is driving me crazy, I think I need to talk to someone about being obsessive, maybe later... but for now I'm seeing red marks on "ever sincere" and the scales, could that be wax?

If they don't stick out maybe try putting one or two in the lid and holding it down with you forefinger like a thimble, and holding the lid with middle finger and thumb, would that make it push out of the hole to make a signet for wax.

Here's my "Mister Science" idea put a piece of wax paper on a cookie sheet, place a candle on it then put it in a hot oven for a few minutes, let it melt then cool a bit, maybe even get the metal cool in the fridge. Then try to impress them into it. If you are more Jerry Lewis than Mister Science you may not want to try that thou
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obsessive is good, we would probably still be in the dark ages without obsessive people.

you may be onto something tho, it doesn't show in the pictures but the bottom is also open with just the lip rounded over a little to stop them coming out
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Yes, it's a seal. The surprising thing is that the impressions are in European languages and from countries with historically high standards of literacy.
To explain, seals of this type were used by scribes, professional letter writers, in the far east and to a lesser extent latin america. After penning a missive to your loved one(s)he would attach a suitable seal to the letter, probably as a form of window dressing.
The tube should contain enough brass slugs to fill it so that when closed, the seal to be used protrudes through the ring.
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THANK YOU
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To me, it seems that I agree with the one who stated it might be trench art. After all those countries were fighting side by side. 12mm sounds a lot like the width of an average shell width, and 50mm sounds about right for it; being "High Tech" with that size of a bullet. I think it's trench art as well. Good stuff, that is.
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http://www.pillon-encheres.com/html...p?id=3278168
Just found this link to a French auction site
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Babelfish translation to English:

THREE seals bronze 1 - cylinder seal of time 19th-century Brasseux engraver at the Royal Palace including 20 seals double-sided brass decorated with emblems of currencies. Snowh.: 7 (English)
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NEVER!

The absolute pleasure of finding things out! I slept wrong and my back is killing me but seeing that auction makes me almost forget the back pain. I have too many collections going but I would love to have one of those just for the novelty of it.

Edit: and it even shows the one with the "QUILL"! totally amazing.
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amazing how finding the one leads to another, found this slightly different one on Bonhams http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/16304/lot/330/
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