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Help Me With This Lowball Peace Dollar

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TY double eagle, ssuperddave, and nickelsearcher. It's sad when you want a coin to be considered poor-1 and not a grade higher...lol.
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PCGS has 19 graded at P01 and 33 graded at F02. A nice unique coin either way.
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It's sad when you want a coin to be considered poor-1 and not a grade higher...lol.


No, it's sad that it's not a grade lower.

There are more PCGS Lowball Peace collectors than there are P01 1921's.
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the moral: steer clear of lowball offers and TPG opinions.
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Would you say lowballs are easier to grade than MS coins?
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Would you say lowballs are easier to grade than MS coins?


Quite the opposite. Low grades tend to have quantifiable features - percentage of rim remaining and the like - tending to lock in the grade. Mint State grades are very much more subjective.
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it looks like a 1924 or maybe a date error
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I would say that it is harder for a coin with distinguishable features, other than the date, to get a P01 grade.

As nickelsearcher said, it almost has to be dateless to get a P01 , since they can distinguish the coin without the date, any sign of a date gets you F02.
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As nickelsearcher said, it almost has to be dateless to get a P01 , since they can distinguish the coin without the date, any sign of a date gets you F02.


That's an interesting point, rather like a 1916 SLQ.
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The diagnostics would include the ray locations under the wing and the olive branches. It shares the same characteristics as the 1922 trial peices. Short stub and the leave locations relative to the second ray, north of the mound.
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As correctly pointed out ... the 1921 Peace dollar is the only example in the 24 coin series that can be identified without a date ... and as such the TPG require them to be dateless to certify as PO01.

I've shown an example of a PCGS certified PO01 from my grading set ... here is the FR02:

1921 Peace dollar PCGS FR02

Help-Me-With-This-Lowball-Peace-Dollar

Assume all can see the similarities between this coin and the OP example .. the barely hint of a date in my FR02 relegates it to that low-ball grade.


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As nickelsearcher said, it almost has to be dateless to get a P01


It has to be truly dateless ... such as my PO01 example shown earlier ... geepers ... I was certain that my FR02 coin would grade lower!

David
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Pocket piece that baby and repost in ten years !
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Is there a way to determine the mint from 1922 on (P D or S)when the mint mark is worn away on reverse?
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Is there a way to determine the mint (P D or S)when the mint mark is worn away on reverse?


The only reason a TPG can certify a dateless 1921 Peace as PO-01 is that it was only minted in Phila. If there were other mints they wouldn't be able to determine which one since the mm would be completely worn off.
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Is there a way to determine the mint from 1922 on (P D or S)when the mint mark is worn away on reverse?


Except for very minor production variances, all three mints use virtually the same dies all made at the Phila mint. So it would be impossible to determine which mint they came from if the mm is worn off.
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