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Did NGC Label This Incorrectly?

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/19104743327...RK:MEBIDX:IT

This is selling on ebay by Famous error specialist Fred Weinberg, a 1945 dime that is strike 20% off center, on the reverse, we see where the spot for the Mint Mark location below the Fasce happened to be where the strike is missing. So, I am unsure which Mint did the dime came out of!

Now here's the kicker, NGC didn't label 'Mint Location Unknown', some collectors would think without labeling a 'S' or "D', it automatically is a 'P' and would probably bid this up before auction ends?
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You're right, no way to tell which mint it came from. how do they usually indicate an unknown mintmark? have they used an 'X' in the past to indicate 'unknown'?
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You would think a short indication like Mint Unknown' would help, maybe too long for the label.
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I would think that they would put something like 1945-X to show an unknown mintmark. Are you bidding on this?
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Can it perhaps be that the camera angle is such that the mintmark area is simply not visible? NGC has clearly designated this as a 1945, no D or S. There may be enough of that mintmark area showing for them to have made this designation.

Then too, the 1945 dime with SB is a relatively rare puppy. IMHO, this coin has what appear to be FSB's. I can see this one selling for well over a thousand ...
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The prong is hiding the mintmark area, but from the amount of the design visible beyond the prong I would say there was probably enough of the mintmark area visible to tell if a mintmark was there or not.
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I am skeptical with this one, its hard for me to digest this really is a 45-P, if and in fact is a 45-P, the value would be in the neighborhood of $3,000 in 63-FB.

The error would most likely add value to it.
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Is there anyway to verify directly with NGC their reasoning on why it just says 1945? They could possibly confirm that they could tell it has no mint mark or confirm that they just did not have the space to put "Mint Mark Not Visible". As stated above, it could be the camera angle or the prong.
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I got a better straight on view of the coin, using the mobile app 'NGC coin detail' I can see the area in question. I am still not convince if this is a 'P' Mint, mint marks as we know were hand punch back in time and can be lower than expected.
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I believe JustCarl is looking for a 45 fsb, this might be his chance.
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I should think it pretty intuitive for a numismatist to understand there's no way to attribute the mint on this one. No, there's no room to designate "Mint unknown" but there's also no need.
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