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While not really an ancient coin, I'm hope that someone here might be able to ID this coin for me.

AE 19mm
1.2 grams



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Still working feverishly on this one. What I've noticed about the lion rampant on the reverse is that its tail divides in two. This is the heraldic queue forché, and it makes it somewhat more likely to be the lion of the kingdom of Bohemia. Might this be a parvus (1/12 of a Prague Groschen)? Or a contemporary imitation of one? Still haven't found a crowned portrait like that, and it's throwing me off that there's just a crude wreath device in place of a legend on the reverse.
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doesn't look official. Though some Armenian and Sicillian coins have gone through ebay looking a bit like this.

Ive never been good at the hammered stuff, especially european, couldnt find any good online resource last time I tried.
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Interesting, I thought it might be from the Low Countries (Holland, Belgium), though I have been able to locate anything that even comes close to a match.
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Not trying to be funny but

It actually looks like a cartoon bear wearing a crown !
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doesn't look official. Though some Armenian and Sicillian coins have gone through ebay looking a bit like this.~BenByfield


There were never any coins issued from Armenian Cilicia with that "Gnome King" bust.
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Cool Dnome. There is a legend on the obverse I've only been able to make out a few letters ROM ? M.II, probably no help but that's all I got.
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Not really like yours, the only similarity is lion within wreath

http://finds.org.uk/database/artefa...rd/id/446801
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Looks like this one is going in the unknown box.
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Tell me about it. I have just been going over some of mine. I vote we have a sticky called Triskeles and John can pop in from time to time and solve all of our problems - only joking John :)
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Hey, I don't ever admit defeat. Just identified one on the Unidentifieds forum that took 2 1/2 months. The trick is stepping away, and coming back with a fresh eye.
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Done that, didn't work :)
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Let me run this up the flagpole:
I think the visible legend is D G ROM I'm (for Dei Gratia Romanorum Imperator, "by the grace of God, Holy Roman Emperor"). Inserting names of likely Holy Roman Emperors, I searched for CAROLVS D G ROM IM, for Charles V, and found this on a Dutch metal detecting site. A different wording of the legend, but our forked-tailed Bohemian lion, with feathery fronds in the place of a reverse legend, the same crown of vertical points, and what appears to be Emperor Charles V's trademark bushy beard:

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http://home.vondsten.nl/vondsten/11...s.html?PAG=1
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That's the coin, I don't know how you found but thanks a lot I would have been look for an ID forever.
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Even better example at the bottom of this page. Apparently, it's a copper "korte," or two mite coin, at least for those produced in the Netherlands, but Charles standardized his coinage throughout his realms, so only a mintmark at the beginning of the legend will show your coins origin:
http://www.nlcoin.com/charlesV.html
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