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1921 MS 66 For Sale At Torex ? Weird Date

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Ok so once again on the 1921.. I have blown this pic up many times and something just dont look right.. The last 1 just dont fit.It is barely there and looks out of place ..Is it just me or if this was a MS 66 should the date not be solid and full.. And lets not stray away with weak punch, worn dies that just wont fly...... I'm asking because I was told that my 21 has possible altered date because the last 1 dont look quite right......SO I ask.. what do you all think of the date on this specific coin... Here is a pic , now if I'm not allowed to use it then I'm sorry and please just remove it...

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 Posted 02/03/2014  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jabbss651 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its hard to say...for one as I'm not familiar with Canadian pieces...but I do see what your referring to. Are you conerned its not genuine? Did you send it to PCGS yourself? Its the secure slab...does the online cert check out? If your that concerned...and I don't blame you send it back in in accordance with their guarantee. It does look pretty clean but with a weak strike but as far as a MS66 grade...I don't know for sure as I'm not familiar with the type. Imo it would make sense to question it and send it back.
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I have not seen this piece in hand but from what I do know it is supposed to be genuine.. No one will ever send this back in because it is already certified.. I only question the way the date seems to be very weak on the last number...
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Probably due to a slightly grease-filled die.
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I see what you mean.
I do not have one to compare it to.
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The last one looks like it has no base.
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 Posted 02/03/2014  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bm0ney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Using my phone browser I have to zoom in to see the last 1
The rest of the date is clear
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exactly , Bmoney, if all the pros are correct then this one should be perfect as the others.. I have seen examples of quite a few and not 1 of those has a faded 1 like this.. Just seems real odd thats all
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My spidey sense is tingling.....
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I replied earlier from my phone. Now that I am at home I looked up the pictures PCGS took using the cert #

It is perfectly fine. Just the angle at which the OP picture was shot plus the slightly darker color on the numeral made it look ghostly.

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That looks better.
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incredible coin , lousy photo! The Pcgs photo is awesome! Just wish I had the dough to buy the coin!
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Ok now that looks better Thanks Poker.. Now thats a great pic for sure....
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Just incredible that TCNC uses such a poor photo to sell the king of coins. the pcgs photo is amazing
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Ok now the next question..With the new clear pics , does anyone else see a difference in the last 1.. points to check..# 1 different shape 1's # 2 is the base on the second 1 is shorter , is this the way it should look ? Just wondering why they are not the same ?

Here's a pic of another 1921 MS 65 certified ..Look at the 1's here.. You will see the last 1 again is different from the MS 66 coin.... The MS 65 last 1 is broader and almost the same as the first 1.. or is it just my eyes....

? did they use different dies ? did they make diferent type dates ?

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 Posted 02/04/2014  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
they originally made lots of 1921 halves so yes there would be different dies for the reverse/
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thats what I thought , so not all dates are exactly the same ....interesting
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