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Is This Rainbow Tone Possible?

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So is this possible?
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 Posted 07/10/2007  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Similar auctions have been posted from this seller. I personally don't get how they could be graded by NGC or others. It just seems so implausible that one seller has Nothing but toned coins and a Lot of them.
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 Posted 07/10/2007  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There was one seller that was called out by a buyer, he left a bunch of negative feedback claiming all of his coins were AT. He even claimed the buyer admitted to artificially toning the coins. I guess if you were to find a bunch of coins that were stored in a cardboard box for the last 50 years , the ones that were laying up against the cardboard would tone nice.
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 Posted 07/10/2007  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwoKopeiki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Braddick is a self-admitted coin doctor, so keep that in mind when deciding to bid on his auctions.
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 Posted 07/10/2007  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tnwalker10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does a little creative lighting help during photographng?
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I don't plan on bidding on his coins, I just found it interesting that the coin is slabbed, yet it looks like AT to me. But I don't know much on toned coins, so I figured I'd ask here. How do you think he did it? I think he got it slabbed and then used a gas or something since the slabs aren't 100% airtight. I would like to think that NGC knows better than to slab this stuff.
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I personally don't get how they could be graded by NGC or others


Technically they are only grading the coin. No mention of the toning on the slabs. I imagine the higher the grade the better and easier it is for him to tone the coins using whatever means available to him.
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 Posted 07/10/2007  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, in order for that to be considered an rainbow coin, it has to say so on the slab?
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I have no idea. I don't remember even seeing toning mentioned on any slabs. Toning has nothing to do with the actual condition of the coin.
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 Posted 07/10/2007  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I've seen either on PCI, or ANACS where it said that it had artificial toning.
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 Posted 07/10/2007  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Thundercoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCI sometimes have slabs that say "Questionable Toning" on them.... as for the others, NGC/PCGS wouldn't grade a coin that they thought was AT. As for ANACS, I think that they would, and would note it on the slab.
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Amazon,

Check out this link, we have discussed this seller on the ebay forums recently. It includes some discussion about Artifical Toned coins getting into slabs.

https://goccf.com/t/16572
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This is only my opinion however a 1962 Jefferson nickel in PF-65 sells for around $3.00 I just don't see toning being worth and extra $110.00 or so for this coin.

Bruce.
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Thundercoin, thanks for the link.
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 Posted 07/10/2007  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Benji to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He tones most of his coins "in the slab." This is identified by complete toning of the entire coin. Almost all toning (naturally occuring over long periods of time) settles in the fields around the devices NOT directly over the devices.

It takes a lot time and experience with toners to understand them and the chemical process involved. NGC and Old ANACS slabs are the easiest to tone in the slab b/c of the white plastic insert. A minute hole is drilled to the rim of the coin (I have noticed the actual hole on some of his auctions), then slab is placed in a container and exposed to a sulphur rich environment (most likely DDTT in a pyridine solution).

One will also notice that his toning is on moderns which is a red flag and the toning is "floating" on the surface of the coin. Coins toned over time display their colors in smooth underlayers with the almighty crust on top.
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 Posted 07/10/2007  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Benji to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"I have no idea. I don't remember even seeing toning mentioned on any slabs. Toning has nothing to do with the actual condition of the coin."


NGC usually designates toned coins with a star * after the grade on slab to note "exceptional eye appeal" or toning. However, I think they may practice this exclusively with Morgan dollars?
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07/10/2007 10:42 pm
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