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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hello, I recently ran into the attached coin and am in the process of deciding whether or not it would be worth the money to send it off to be graded and slabbed. The first set of photos is a product of my USB camera rigged with a different type of diffuser material compared to what I normally use. Using these photos take a stab at assigning a grade for each side then decide on an overall grade for this coin.   Next, I have provided a close-up of the rim area right under the dates. Please opine on whether or not this rim area looks normal or not:  Finally, I have created scans of this coin from my Epson WorkForce 610 printer to better highlight the minor scratches and dings present and obscured using the diffuser etc. The diffuser tends to minimize the presence of the diagonal and horizontal scratches like the ones very apparent under the word, 'TRUST'. This last set of scanned photos may or may not alter the previous grade decided upon when using only the USB-derived photos.   Your grading opinion on this last set of photos is also welcomed. Thanks, mdpmedia |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3546 Posts |
By the way this coin weighs 12.46 grams.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In my opinion I would grade it in the XF range. As this is a rare and known counterfeited design I would want to have it slabbed by a TPG if I were going to sell it. |
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Moderator
 United States
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mdpmedia ... alas from my perspective the USB and scan images of this coin are not of sufficient accuracy to offer a true opinion on either grade or authenticity. In-focus digital photographs with appropriate lighting would be much preferred if you truly wish to solicit expert views. My tentative opinion ... based on what I can see ... this is likely an authentic 1928 Hawaiian and likely grades in the XF45/AU50 range ... although no way to judge surface condition based on the images provided. Any authentic Hawaiian is a treasured coin indeed.  David |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1002 Posts |
I agree with Nickelsearcher, cannot really grade it from these pics. Rough ballpark maybe XF give or take. Well worth sending in to a TPG, even if to just get a genuine grade. |
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
United States
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I'm in agreement with others - the provided images do not allow for accurate grading estimates of the coin. From what I can see, it appears to be a genuine coin that shows circulation wear. There's roughly a $200 difference in value (per the Greysheet) between an XF and AU coin. If you plan to sell the coin via ebay or another online auction site, having it graded/certified would make sense as potential buyers would feel more comfortable knowing their purchase has been professionally examined and assessed. If you plan on keeping the coin for a time and then selling it/trading it to a dealer who can view the coin firsthand, I would say that having it graded is not absolutely necessary - assuming the dealer selected is familiar with US commemorative coins and is one that you trust. Such a dealer would make their own assessment and make their offer accordingly (regardless of what a grading service's holder indicates). Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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United States
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I'm fairly certain this coin is an XF.
In terms of authenticity, there doesn't appear to be anything wrong or out of the ordinary. However, as others have said, it's tough to tell from the photos.
I'd definitely submit it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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OK everyone, I took some more photos. Please comment again on the grade assuming these photos are an improvement compared to the initial shots. Also check the rim which appears to me to be somewhat non uniform in width: thinner above the Indian's head and slightly thicker below the date range, 1778-1928.   I just went back to using my original setup consisting of copy paper-covered CFL lights and a rounded white plastic bucket diffuser. I discarded the 1st diffuser used in this thread(a flat plastic transparent plate) and replaced copy paper-covered UV lights. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3546 Posts |
I placed some arrows pointing to some indentations along the inner parts of the rim where the field meets the rim. Do these appear to be normal and not characteristic of a cast coin?  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I also took two new close-ups using the same USB camera: one of Cook's head:  and another of the Indian's head:  assuming these both of these items would probably be among the highest devices and subject to greater wear compared to the rest of the coin. Cook's head has some black-colored areas around it in the close-up shot; this coloration originates as a result of the highly reflective surface exhibiting excellent luster on both sides. For those that feel this coin is authentic, please estimate an approximate retail value (both raw and PCGS-slabbed) along with the corresponding grade. Thanks mdpmedia |
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United States
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Honest reply to let you know that I gave a sincere attempt to add value based on your newest photos. Quote:
assuming these photos are an improvement compared to the initial shots. Alas they are not for me ... I'm sticking with my original assessment as stated above ... likely genuine and likely XF. IMHO commems had the best advise relative to certify or not ... suggest you consider those views as you make decisions on how to proceed with this coin. David Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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