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Off Center On Foreign Planchet?

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/231148479345

I had this coin in my watchlist, but I completely forgot it was ending tonight. I have a feeling somebody else thought it was on a foreign planchet too because it sold for more than what these common errors normally sell for. Anyone else see what I'm seeing?
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I notice the rim looks odd.Could have missed the machine that upsets the rim.The weight would tell a lot about it
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normal price for a 1959-1982 major off center lincoln. No chance it is a foreign planchet
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Foreign planchet? Easily checked. Weight it accurately.

Grossly struck off centre U.S. coins seem to be surprisingly common. Dunno why.
Most Australian dealers have a few, or can easily get them.
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I have never seen a off-center strike on a planchet like that. Weird rims, and it looks struck on copper.
Is it remotely possible this is a counterfeit off-center strike? Is it normal for the "T" in LIBERTY to be this off-center, or the loops on the "B" to be shaped like that?
I'll wait for the experts.

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hhmmm..
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I doubt it's a foreign planchet. It does, however, show an unusual pattern of upset that I've seen on one or two off-center nickels. More information on peculiar patterns of upset can be found here:

http://www.coinworld.com/articles/u...mie-error-in
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Thanks for the great info Mike. I'm checking out the bidding history, and it looks like you actually won the auction. When you get the coin in hand, I would love an update to this thread. At the very least to feed my curiosity
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I'll weigh it and report back. But I can tell you that the off-center nickels with this pattern of upset weighed the same as a normal nickel planchet.

I see this as a distinctly different pattern of upset, rather than one that occupies the far end of the normal range of variation with respect to bevel length and angle (which can be considerable). I also don't see this as circumferential pre-strike damage that happens to resemble upset. The question is whether it's an experimental style of upset, use of an upset mill set up for some foreign denomination, improperly machined grooves, or something else.
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I appreciate it Mike, thank you. Chances are it's going to be normal weight because you say the nickels you've seen with the same upset had normal weights. Very interesting coin nonetheless, it's going to be tough to determine exactly what happened.
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Guys, I have no clue about off center coins, but this one looks odd when compared to others up for auction. This one either has a rotated die or something. The reverse is not aligned correctly to the obverse. Is this normal for off centered coins?
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Well,...that wasn't the result I was expecting.
Mike got a nice pickup there...I hope I hear more.
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Rotation looks OK (or at least pretty close) to me.
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Is it just me, or does the radius of the planchet seem smaller than the radius of the Linc (the part that's good)? A little play in the Gimp indicates - based on the ratio of the length of "IBERTY" to the full diameter of a Cent - that the planchet is a bit small. There's room for error in this, though.
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Loco, I see what you are saying with the rotation.
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I really would like to know the WEIGHT.
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