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Some US Hard Times Token Replicas And Fakes

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 Posted 02/11/2014  2:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Duncan_Doenitz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
There aren't a lot of fakes or replicas in the Hard Times Token category, but I'll post a couple from my collection, partly because they show up for sale as genuine.

First, HTT-13R...


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The side with the date is catalogued as the obverse. That date is the key to this post-1960 replica, because it is wrong. The genuine varieties, HT-9 through HT-13, are dated 1834. Some of these replicas have an incused "T" to the right of the boar, like this one.


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The replicas are crudely cast in a base metal and plated with copper (Rulau indicates probably electroplated). This particular example seems to have a dribble of crud from where the casting sprue was connected at the bottom.

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 Posted 02/11/2014  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can we see a pic of the edge where the sprue connected?
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 Posted 02/11/2014  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Duncan_Doenitz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Next, HT-106, a modern "reissue" of HT-105 with new dies.


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Scoville in Waterbury created both the original, and many years later, the reissue.

The new ones are from new dies, and the typeface is different, easily recognized by the very wide style of the letter "S", and they include the added letter "R".

The replicas seem to have an antiqued finish, quite shiny, like a liquid finish that could be dissolved with a strong solvent.

My copy was bought at a local flea market in about the 1970's or earlier.

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 Posted 02/11/2014  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Duncan_Doenitz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
HT-13R detail of edge.

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 Posted 02/11/2014  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mackwork to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice information. I assume that R stands for Reissue or Replica.
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 Posted 02/11/2014  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Duncan_Doenitz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, it would seem that "R" means Replica.

Okay, here's something quite a bit different from the Hard Times era.

Slave tags are classified by Rulau as Hard Times tokens because they were around by the 1828-1846 time period. Seems like anything collectible connected to slavery has been an attractive category for fakers because of the market appeal. That's especially true when it comes to slave tags because they are crudely made (and often "dug" items) and they sell in the $1,000 to $3,000 range.

I won't show fakes, because they are easily found in an online search. Essentially though, anything that ISN'T marked CHARLESTON is usually assumed to be phony.

But this one caught my eye for a different reason - genuine or fake, I don't know, but it did get caught up in the "monster rainbow toning" craze, despite being offered by a highly respected seller.

Before...


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And then one day it showed up in a bizarre lot mysteriously "toned"...

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I was shocked - as was, apparently, the slave tag.

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 Posted 02/13/2014  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's an unstamped replica that I've seen before:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1838-Americ...em3f30a151dd

It's a cast copy. Note the "hooflike feet" of the I's and T's in the reverse legend. There's a bid on it at $75, and I suspect there may be more. I'll report it as an unmarked copy/replica.

I believe that these date back to the 1960-70's. I picked one up at a flea market some years ago for $5 or less. Interestingly, the seller sold me an original one, too, but I paid more for that one.

There are some newer copies of the obverse that show the "virtually unobtainable" kneeling man-slave on the flip-side. These are struck copies that are very well made. There are only a few of the original U.S. version, man-slave pieces known.

Here's one of those for sale on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1838-USA-Ha...em565e3fdd9c

IMHO, calling this a "Restrike" is wrong. I'm not aware that this die combination existed. Even if it did, this piece was not struck from original dies. I can see no reason to report this listing, and the seller has clearly labeled it as a modern piece.



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 Posted 02/17/2014  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Duncan_Doenitz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for posting those, ExoGuy. Your report must've been effective, because the first item is gone from ebay and the link no longer works.

Which, before I forget, reminds me that years ago, ebay used to tell us that for our safety and protection, all auctions would remain available online for 90 days after the auction closed. But now, bad auctions, where we really need that promised protection, disappear immediately when pulled by ebay, sort of like destroying incriminating evidence. (It works a little differently when a seller voluntarily ends an auction early, those tend to remain for a while with a statement as to why the auction is gone, "Seller has ended the auction because of an error in the listing", etc.)

I remember when I first started saving Hard Times tokens I saw warnings that the "AM I NOT A WOMAN" and "AM I NOT A MAN" were often counterfeited, sometimes poorly done and sometimes very deceptive, but unfortunately at that time I was not saving any documentation in computer files. So all I have now are examples of the modern replicas like those in your second link. However, some of those were uniface, or carried an ad for the modern producer of the tokens on the reverse.

But knowing that excellent fakes of those two tokens are out there, they are simply two examples I will not buy, at least not without better information about them.

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Another tricky area is silver plated Hard Times tokens. I've passed up bidding on one particular one I believe to be genuine (believed genuine because the issuer is known to have produced other genuine plated tokens). But because it's impossible for slabbers to determine precisely when the plating was done, they very seldom will be authenticated. The token I was considering might be unique. Or fake.

-Duncan
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02/17/2014 11:53 pm
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 Posted 02/17/2014  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Duncan, ebay has made some bad (planned as such) moves that work against buyers; this, IMHO. On the plus side, I do give them credit for relatively the quick removal of spurious items. Years ago, I was able to directly contact bidders and warn them about a coin, but that's no longer possible.

It's a numismatic minefield out there for the novice and even experienced collector. Gotta love this CCF website!
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