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Moderator
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Roger Burdette missing something? That'll be the day.
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Pillar of the Community
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I didn't say it was going to be easy by a long shot lol! Probably 100x as hard proving Conder wrong than acquiring even my most difficult finds. But whether it takes one month or one year or never you always have to try :-)
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Bedrock of the Community
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Come on I'm not that hard to prove wrong....when I'm wrong. And I will admit I'm not always right, but on this I feel pretty confident. Something you always have to watch out for are "stories" that have been passed down for so many years that they are automatically accepted as fact. The "Public outrage" about the bare breast is one such example. This was accepted for years, but if you go looking for actual contemporary editorials, or letters to the editor in newspapers or numismatic periodicals and they just aren't there. And when Roger did his research in the archives, no letters or telegrams to the Mint or correspondence from government officials about the topic turned up. With no evidence turning up it almost certainly means that there was no outcry. This is in contrast to the public criticism over the announced design for the 1921 Peace dollar that included a broken sword in the eagles talons. That public criticism is well documented.
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Pillar of the Community
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Awe that's no biggie. I saw that National Treasure movie once! Oh BTW can't wait to show the pics of the SLQ. Soot came rt off. You. Would have guessed the thing lived in a chimney. Got another surprise too from the Hflirn vault. Out of town so will have to post up tomorrow or next day...it'll be worth the wait
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Pillar of the Community
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Wait...Mr. Burdette! Jeez! I'm sorry Conder I am a 31 yr old idiot and should pay attention more often to who I'm talking to :-( I'll still gather info but will think more before I talk especially when it comes to our nations history.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I can't tell if you have jumped to a wrong conclusion or not. I'm not Roger.
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Pillar of the Community
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Oh thank God...I turned white for a sec. Anyhow the same msg applies. I'll be back in town tomorrow and would appreciate your input Conder on this SLQ and another coin. I was talking to a friend of mine whose daughter was working on poems so I had her make one up for this next coin. Kinda cute I thought. It goes like this. I am small in size but big in lore. I was born in a factory during a great big war. I have one brother but he is not with me. But just like him I moved to a warmer place thankfully. Talk to you guys later tomorrow!
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Pillar of the Community
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Hey just a quick update. Sorry I haven't posted a new pic yet. I just don't want to rush this one until I have all my ducks in a row. Everything is still all good
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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Oh yeah and Happy Birthday MacNeil! I like this close up because I am making bets on myself to see if fact will catch up with my imagination. Everything is rolling smoothly. Oh and for Pattern lovers out there like myself I still have a couple tricks up my sleeve on other denominations I'll try to get too as soon as possible. Possible unrecorded in my opinion 
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Why the 2 cent piece? Did I miss something.
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This is a tough one I do admit. One that I really just went on a gut feeling. This is an 1873 2 cent piece. Now let's take a walk down history lane. James Longacre the engraver of this infamous design passed on in 1869. The wife of James, passed on later in 1873. This is the same year they discontinued the 2 cent piece. Now one thing I have learned and of course my opinion is that there seems to be an incredible bond between one designer/engraver to the next. I have heard from some that Charles Barber seemed to them like a bit of a grouch. Well I did not know Charles but this 2 cent piece I think was his idea to honor the passing of not only of a fellow engraver but his family as well. If you look up Barbers collection of us patterns there is a blank spot next to 1873 2 cent piece. Telling me one once existed. Look at this coin and tell me if you see writing along the edges. Do the side knobs on the original 1873 connect to anything that swoops out like this does? I love it when I am told that a coin has environmental damage or is a junk coin and then see it for what it really was after over a 100 yrs. I have a mental library of design after design after design. I have literally invested so much time on coins where the tiniest design difference I can see through a trove of sludge from abuse produces such historically important piece. Not to try and scare or anything but this SLQ I got from a punk kid who was about to sell it for it's silver content. It belonged to his great grandfather who carried it through WW1 as his lucky coin. I did not know what this coin was when I originally bought it for $25 bucks. A price way too high for a junk SLQ but I couldn't stand the fact or possibility of it being tossed in such a way.
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It's not an 1873 2 cent piece as that date was struck in Proof only. Yours is well worn. Second, Charles Barber did not take over as Chief Engraver after James Longacre's death. His father, William Barber did. Charles did not become Chief Engraver until 1879. What do you see the 2 cent piece as? All I see it as is a well worn, dateless, type coin. Same thing with your Standing Liberty quarter it is well worn, dateless and basically worth melt. -MV
Edited by MeadowviewCollector 03/04/2014 1:43 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Excuse me you are rt I meant William. Apologies. Yes you are correct also they only had proofs in 1873 but the rules don't always apply to patterns. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised when the coin is done. Seeing is believing as some would say. I just have had a hard time grasping it sometimes lol!
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