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Ok I am not going to jump the gun on this one. Truthfully, I am going to keep my opinion to myself LOL! Even though my 69 P DDO is legit despite the horrifying glare on the pics :-) Ok so what I noticed on this coin are a few things. The coin is in the exact state as when I got it. Funny thing is that it has superb detail behind the soot. I just never know how to approach Silver coins and wouldn't attempt it. Not to say cleaning coins is good by any means! But you know what I'm saying (hopefully). Things I noticed, I noticed some doubling on the B in Liberty and the T and Y. That is without a magnifying glass. I'm sure there is more in fact I think there is some on the stars. No doubling on Reverse. It is hard to tell but it is my opinion it is a 1924. Design stuff and hint of #2. Again, it is so tempting to send this sucker off to get professionally cleaned so much darn detail is hiding in the muck! Sorry. Also, big heads up to me is that the cloth around the shield has bells/stars/something imbedded in it. It could be toning but it lets off a copper color. Also, it could be because of the muck but instead of the shield emblem I see a banner/ribbon/multiple? There are also indentations behind the beautiful Liberty Lady. On the right of Liberty I believe that if it weren't for the muck it would have the same indentations as to her left. Above the initial M to the rt of the date is the initial W. First Letter to both last names of the men that worked on the design. In fact I don't have enough space to write about all the little nooks and crannies they put their initials. It almost appears that they were bickering on what part of the design came from who. My opinion of course. Anyway, I used a different filter to point out the little copper (my opinion) things on the cloth to start with and give me more time to get my 69 DDO and this Lil Missy to my brothers work and steal some time with their microscope photo machine/camera/whatever it is.  |
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Oops probably should have this in Classic Error section. My bad CCF Date screwed me up a bit.
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?What was the question again? Quote:
First Letter to both last names of the men that worked on the design There were not 2 men who worked on the design. the obverse and reverse were designed by Hermon A MacNeil. SLQ's are know for die clashed which appear around the knee area on the obverse and above Lady Liberty's right shoulder. 1926S is known for a die chip or "teardrop" between the left leg and the wall but 1924 is not if you are referring to what appears to be solder there. All I see is an environmentally damaged coin.
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The question was to perhaps get feedback on maybe some design differences or anything that people knew or wanted to add. Open table. Rattle the chains. Whatever you want to call it. One thing I strongly feel is that this coin is unique, of a different design, an unattributed DDO, and falls on a date very close to George T. Morgans death. So to answer your question, I thought the mere speculation of such things wouldn't require a question this time. |
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You may want re-think your comment on their only being one designer BTW. Adding of stars, covering up Liberty ring a bell? Even Charles Barber is seen in some documentations as an influence. |
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BTW, what documentation are you referring to? Please post links to said documentation.  |
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Always a curious read when you post Hflirn.........
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Just one example do you want more :-)
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If you have more, by all means post them. I had an issue when you asked another member to "re-think" their comment. That snarky response completely missed everything else jack_jeckel conveyed to you. Yes, you are a curious read, but probably not in the way you intend.
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Point well made and I apologize. Not the greatest day for me. I will gladly post more info b/c this coin and this topic I find to be very important...to me at least.
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The 1916 and 17 type one coins come the closest to being the "designs by a second artist" as they are modified and different from the approved design submitted by MacNeil. The type II design is the result of MacNeil's complaints over his designs being modified without consulting him. But as for the addition of the chain mail to the bust, that was MacNeil alone. There is no contemporary references in the national archives directing him to add the mail, and there are no letters, telegrams or memos in the archives mentioning any complaints of the bare breast. In fact almost all the commentary was on the treatment of the eagle on the reverse and whether it was depicted properly.
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Conder I always trust in your comments (even though sometimes they contradict mine lol) It has been awhile since I've touched/read of this topic but I could have sworn that the design change of 1917 was with such quick notice and under such pressure for mintage that MacNeil was unfamiliar with the change until mintage had started. It is also my opinion that they catered to MacNeil to keep his scrutiny of the new changes under wraps. Of course these are only words without proof so looks like I'm going to the Library today :-( It's finally a nice day where I'm from too. See what I do for you Conder LOL!
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Check out Roger Burdette's book Renaissance of American Coinage 1916 - 1921. There you will find the full story, with pictures of the patterns, proposed designs, and correspondence discussing the designs. It is heavily footnoted referencing the sources in the National Archives and other sources.
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Yes I will read it of course but I need material to prove you wrong Conder LOL!
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Well in that case you will probably have to go through the records at the National Archives to find the complaint letters that Roger missed when he was going through the records.  |
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Posted 02/12/2014 9:28 pm
