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1807 Capped Bust Half 50/20 Grade/Authenticate

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 Posted 02/12/2014  12:13 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

Please verify that this half is real.

Its weight is 13.15 grams.

Also assign a grade and what type of retail price it could fetch.

Does the ding on top of the beak appear to be PMD?

The actual real life colors of this coin are very close to these full-sized obverse and reverse shots.

A UV light/camera took the closeup of the 50/20 causing the darker bluish color.

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 Posted 02/12/2014  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like an O-112, OBV. 9 and REV. H-s2, R1.

Reverse ding is PMD.

It's very tough to tell if the surfaces are original. Grade is tough too, I think it could make F-15.

And value is tough. There is an R6, R5, R4, and R1 50/20. I don't know of a price guide that makes the distinction. The Ultimate Guide to Attributing Bust Half Dollars Third Edition published in 2004 lists O-112 F $70-125, VF $170-300.

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Hi,

I am having some difficulty distinguishing between the following 1807 50C 50/20 Large Stars Capped Bust Half varieties:

a) major variety:

1) Large Stars 50/20

b) die varieties:

1) O-111 Large Stars 50/20
2) O-111a Large Stars 50/20
3) O-112 Large Stars 50/20

Can anyone point out using arrows and photos(if possible) what makes each of the above varieties unique in themselves?

Since I possess this physical coin it would be easier if someone graphically points out these subtleties first so I can then make out the distinguishing features on my coin when comparing the notated photos.

Thanks in advance,

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Obverse 9 star 1 points between segments. Also, star 1 points more directly to the end of the bust than obv 8 star 1 does.
Obverse 9 "0" in date is larger than obv 8.
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I have it as O-112, R.1. There's a slam-dunk pickup distinction between O-111 and O-112, that being the left lower serif of the "1" which is missing on O-111. Yours has that serif. In addition, on O-111's the "B" in LIBERTY is unfinished at the top; the top of the letter is completely open. Worn examples of O-112 won't show that effectively.

O-111 has 3 stages: the original with no die cracks, O-111a with circular die cracking through the left stars and a small circular crack between the bust and chin, and O-112b where that latter crack has become a large break, notably triangular at the bust. In order of rarity: O-111 (considered R.7), O-111b, O-111a (most common).

As an illustration of relative rarity, as their sample size (573 auction results) is large enough to consider, Heritage has offered 277 attributed O-112's (over half their total) and a grand total of 4 O-111's of all types. That doesn't speak to the relative rarity of 50/20's - one would consider them to be offered disproportionately often as desirable type coins - but it sure draws a line between O-111 and O-112.
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This is a very nice sought after coin. I didn't mean to downplay it. I'd be pleased to own it.

I have one of these in VF20. Unfortunately I paid the O-111 price for it.

There are many CBH varieties that fall into this grey area. 1824 over 1, O-101 and 101a, are R2.
24/1 O102 is R5. The price guides make no distinction.

1811/10, O-101 is R1.
1811/10 O-102 is R4. And on and on.

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