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Hi All, I have an 1824 Capped Bust Half that I can't find the Overton variety for. I have the 1990 Overton book, and have been through all 17 marriages several times, and I just can't make any of them match. The closest varieties seem to be O-105 and O-108, but I always find a diagnostic that eliminates both. I'd appreciate hearing from members that can help with the attribution. Hopefully this is a new discovery! (click for full size)   |
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 to the Forum!! I see an Overton 105/R-2. From Coinzip.proboards.com: Quote:Some diagnostics for 1824 O-105 R2: Obverse: Star 1 points to lower edge of dentil. Star 7 points to upper half of dentil, and to upper edge of headband. "82" is closer than "18" or "24". There is a die lump on the tip of the chin. Reverse: Many straight die lines below left claw. First "S" in "STATES" is too high, and too close to "T". "I" centered under right side of "T". Read more: http://coinzip.proboards.com/thread...xzz2te8vLLii What do you see that makes you think this coin is not an O-105? (I see all the diagnostics including the die lump on the chin...) |
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Hi Moe, Thanks for the welcome. Here's a scan of O-105 from the Overton book. It shows star 1 pointing to the upper half of the dentil, but star 1 on my coin points to the lower half of the dentil. On the reverse, A3 is shown in Overton pointing between denticles, but on my coin A3 points to the upper half of the dentil.  Edited by Classic Coins
02/18/2014 12:31 am
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Moe,
Your post got me looking closer at the Overton description whereas I was focused on the Overton image before. The description of star 1 does indeed match my coin (S1LE - star 1 points to lower edge of dentil). So the Overton image showing star 1 pointing to the upper half of the dentil (S1UH) disagrees with the Overton description. Likewise, the Overton reverse description of A3 pointing to the upper half of the dentil (A3UH) matches my coin, but the Overton image does not. It seems my coin is an O-105 as you saw, but the Overton book shows incorrect images for both obverse and reverse.
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Moe,
Thanks a lot for taking the time to research this and confirm the die attribution for me. You solved a mystery that has been bugging me since I acquired this coin a year ago.
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You solved a mystery that has been bugging me since I acquired this coin a year ago.  I'm glad I could help.  What edition of the United States Early Half Dollars Die varieties (1794-1836) do you have? (I have the 4th edition (Parsley). It didn't reference the #1 star on the O-105 variety...) Just as an aside: I don't like the book, and don't use it anymore, for CBH die marriages. I use the Coinzip.proboard.com website. It's really good, with pictures versus drawings of the varieties. |
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(I have the 4th edition (Parsley). It didn't reference the #1 star on the O-105 variety...) Actually, it does: "Obv. 4: S1-LE," etc. And apparently the photo has been corrected from the first edition. I don't have earlier editions so not sure when ... Best Regards,  George |
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"Obv. 4: S1-LE" So, THAT'S what that means!!  |
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I have the Overton third edition; 1990, Edited by Parsley.
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I have the Overton third edition; 1990 I would prefer that one. |
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The Overton editions all have their flaws but it helps to actually read them and understand what all the attribution aids mean before passing judgment on them. Dr. Glenn Peterson's editions on Capped Bust halves also provide some unique identifiers that are mostly unmentioned in Overton. They take some getting used to but some prefer them to the Overton books overall. Best Regards, George |
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I would suggest you grab this: http://www.busthalfprices.com/errata.phpIt is a list of all the errata for the 3rd edition of Overton (they also have one on there for the 4th ed. as well.) Not sure how up to date it is, but it is better than nothing and should have most of the obvious stuff like this on there. |
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Thanks a lot Wiggam for that useful link. Here are the errata for the 4th edition. http://www.busthalfprices.com/errata4.php The Condition Census data in the books are almost all out of date, given gradeflation, crossovers, new discoveries, etc. The Stephen Herrman Auction & Mail Bid Prices Realized for Bust Half Dollars 1794-1839 is useful but it is not a Condition Census either, as it just covers the previous 10 years (from date of issue) for R.3+ to R.8 die varieties. Best Regards, George |
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