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Question About My 1797 Cartwheel

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I had someone tell me an interesting story about the hash marks over George III's face and just wanted to see if anyone more knowledgable than I would know anything about this. He said people would gouge out his face on these circulated pieces because he wasn't the most popular guy. Anyone else heard of this? Thanks for checking it out!
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 Posted 02/18/2014  04:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While "Mad King George" may not have been the most popular fellow, few would have bothered using the coinage to make a political statement. Besides being illegal, it would have rendered the coin less easily spent, as people might have assumed such damage was an attempt to hide a forgery - and fake copper coins were a big problem back then.

Also, if the goal was deliberate mutilation, I think they'd have gone for the face or the neck, rather than the side of the head.

I haven't seen very many politically defaced cartwheels. I have seen two other kinds of defaced cartwheels: coins that were used as dishonest weights (they are supposed to weigh exactly 1 avoirdupois ounce and were widely used as one ounce weights by the general public) by having had some weight trimmed off. Second, are love tokens - coins where one or both sides are smoothed off completely and new designs engraved onto them.
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 Posted 02/18/2014  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you get a nice big slab of soft copper the temptation was to make marks,graffiti ETC
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 Posted 02/18/2014  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add keepcalmandcoinon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the replys. Sap, makes sense what you are saying.
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I have seen coins with scratches across the throat, which would seem more appropriate to show a dislike for a ruler.
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Just wayward thinking on your part - whenever one appears in high grade and you are thinking of reaching for your wallet - you LOOK at the rims as these are so prone to rim bruises even in AU or UNC. Its the nature of this BIG BEAST.

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I'm not aware of any incidence of similar mutilation on these coins, so imagine the story is just a fanciful explanation for a poor and damaged example. The cartwheels are fairly common, even in quite reasonable grade, and proofs are not off the scale either.

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I have one somewhere with similar damage but someone has modified the rims too - I assumed it has some sort of use.

Also, it is very easy to mark these, so I see the temptation.
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Thanks for the replys everyone. I have seen others with this kind of damage so I was thinking maybe the story is true. Thanks for the info colonialjohn.
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