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1857 D Flying Eagle Cent...say What?!

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So I told you a couple days ago I had some interesting Flying Eagle cents. This is one. First let me first answer what is probably already going through your mind which is they didn't mint these in Denver. Well yes you are right. But they did allow them the chance (in my opinion). I have become quite familiar with British and US test pieces over the last few years and have picked up on some things to look for which I will share. First thing which is a dead giveaway if your coin is in good enough shape to see it, is that there is written on the lip or rim "stay don't leave" over and over again. The only problem is that it is so incredibly tiny I don't know how any employee could see it with the naked eye. Also, there is always some kind of dye clash going on from what I've seen and I can only assume they are making pressure tests. The British Pieces I have use really weird looking clashes that to me resemble Saturday morning cartoons lol! On the British pieces that I have they just say Stay but bigger and usually on the face of the coin somewhere once or multiple times. This is for mid to late 1800's and then they start using the word copy in some way or form for both US and Great Britain. This is all my opinion of course I'm not an expert so just consider this a what if story :-) Anyway, I guess I'll get to the coin pics. I believe I have another coin of this nature but don't want leap before I look.

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This is one. First let me first answer what is probably already going through your mind which is they didn't mint these in Denver. Well yes you are right. But they did allow them the chance (in my opinion).


They didn't allow them the chance.

1. The US Mint at Denver struck its first coins in 1906.

2. There was a law that stated no cents or nickels were to be coined outside of Philadelphia. It was changed/repealed before 1908 (thus the 1908-S Indian Head cent is the first coin minted outside of Philadelphia).

3. The Denver Mint didn't coin Flying Eagle or Indian Head cents. The first cents they struck were Lincoln Wheat cents in 1911.
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And the Denver mint didn't even exist until 1863 and then only as a private mint first and then as a US Assay office. As Meadowview said they never struck anything until 1906.
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Hmm well then looks like I have something that I don't fully understand then. The, what I assumed was a mint punch, is also on the wing. Along the inside, edges it really does say "stay don't leave, and it has dye clashing. So what could I possibly have? Philadelphia test piece?
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I wouldn't give the bumps and dints too much importance. After all, your coin is well-worn and the raised areas you see are probably just damage. There are no known "trial pieces" with any extra letters. There would be quite a buzz if there were.
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Really?
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I wasn't going to make things more complicated but what the heck lol! Do you see anything underneath the 7? A number maybe? I'm loving this BTW :-)
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Do you see anything underneath the 7?


I see a 42....

Hyper-intelligent pan-dimensional beings at work....perhaps?
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Amida you are starting to sound like me lol! Stay away from the light you'll never come back! :-)
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OK I'll make this my last post at least for a few hours but I do have another trial piece that isn't locked up currently with me just so you think I'm not blowing smoke...at leat on purpose :-) It is a 1896 British Half Penny. Notice the weird face and possible hat on her wheel. Like I previously mentioned it has "stay" written a few times directly beneath her horizontally. I have many of these pieces so if you want more examples you've come to the right guy.

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Nice Amida lol! Have some faith in lunatic Hflirn :-) What will he say next? That he has a trial 2 cent piece with Charles Barber's signature engraved into it...
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Could this be a UFE .... Unidentified Flying Eagle ?
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Its a bird its a D its...um I don't know lol!
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One thing, if you are going to try and shows things you are going to have to improve your photography. Out of focus angled shots of heavily worn coins will not sway many people to your opinion.
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Agreed Conder. Hey quick question. A lot of my coins whether they be unidentified (patterns,trial issues,etc) or coins that are documented but have literally no value associated to them (why I have no idea) will need to be evaluated so I don't have to keep running around in circles trying to explain myself. I am not a wealthy person and if I am right on half this stuff, it will literally cost more than the house I live in to have them graded. Who should I see about having this stuff looked at? I spend so much time, money, whatever finding it that once when I have it I think well what now?
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