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1968-P And 1968-S

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Poll Question
I know every one loves the polls. LOL But here is an interesting one. What is going on with the coins in these images?
1968-P-And-1968-S
1968-P-And-1968-S

Poll Choices
 Machine doubling.
 Normal for this year.
 Doubled die Reverse.
 Shift doubling.
 Ejection doubling.
 Die movement.
 Working hub Doubling
 Something else.
 I don't know.

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03/21/2014 7:01 pm
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 Posted 03/22/2014  07:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add djay1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe doubled die OBVERSE? :)
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 Posted 03/22/2014  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ghostrivertrading to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is the correct answer?
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I think I picked the wrong answer. I picked "something else" because I was thinking obverse instead of "reverse". Maybe reverse was purposely put up to teach attention to detail? I may be way off base here, but I was thinking about something last night. I think it could be "working hub doubling" now. There are quite a few DDOs that look very similar in 1968. Coppercoins even says to look at mint mark placement because the doubling is so similar. So, a series of working dies could be created from the working hubs with the same doubling, but would receive different DDO numbers because the mint marks were punched by hand, creating a visible difference in each die. I hope this makes sense. I have what I'm trying to say in my brain, I just can't get it out right. LOL!
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Well up to about a day ago, I would have said it is was a doubled die reverse. But I had this one submitted to John Wexler and I had the coin back for sometime and it was marked WWHO-004 New. So I thought this meant it was a new doubled die.
So it sunk in (Maybe a couple years later) what does WWHO mean? So I got out his book and was looking at the 1968 doubled dies listing and found out it means Wexler Working Hub Obverse. It was noted that a working hub was used that had doubling on the hub that created several dies for all three mints that from hub doubling. So there are 1968-P/D/S dies that have this working hub obverse doubling. I suspected this earlier, just never grasped what it meant.
Here is the link from his site:
http://doubleddie.com/814681.html
So I thought I would pass this information forward.
I could have just stated the fact, but the poll made everyone think about it more. I hope you enjoyed this.
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He mentioned that premium for these would be none as many dies were created from this working hub doubling. So it would be similar to the master die doubling on 1972 cents.
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You need to do polls more often, it does make everyone think. Thanks.
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Thanks a ton for the info coop! I found a Philly 1968 DDO a while back that has the same doubling. I looked at the ones on coppercoins & it was very similar to a few, but I couldn't match up any markers. I'll have to dig it out and look again. The doubling is very similar to these you posted. It may just be another die created using this working hub. Very interesting indeed!
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You never know it all...... I'm still learning.
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Thats one of the first times I knew the answer..been searching American pennies the past week and read that a few days ago..Fluke lol. These polls are a great learning tool, thanks for posting it. I doubt I'll be so lucky next time.
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 Posted 03/22/2014  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The thing is that focusing attention on something more, helps you to remember it longer.
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