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Silver 50 Cent With Die Crack Or Scratch

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 Posted 03/22/2014  12:31 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Collectinator to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Was looking at some of my silver coins and found one with what looks like a die crack or scratch.

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03/22/2014 12:47 am
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 Posted 03/22/2014  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add west- canuk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


https://goccf.com/t/109430&SearchTerms=die,clash

check out this link to an earlier posting, your 50 cent piece has a die clash.
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03/22/2014 12:59 am
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 Posted 03/22/2014  01:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collectinator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool, that's my first die clash! Thanks west-canuk
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 Posted 03/22/2014  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pginrh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you tell us the year please... I am looking for Queen Elizabeth II die clashes and so far have only found a 1963.
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 Posted 03/22/2014  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collectinator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The date is 1959
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 Posted 03/22/2014  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pginrh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thankyou.... for the silver Queen Elizabeth 2 50c series with Laureate head and new Canadian coat of arms 1959-1964, that makes the 1959, 1962 and 1963 with die clashes that I have found referenced. Has anybody found any others in this series ?
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 Posted 03/23/2014  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add west- canuk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Collectinator , does your '59 have any of the other clashes that my '63 has or just the one pictured?

pginrh , I have a clashed 60, 62, and 64, all with just the single clash in Collectinator's picture, and of course the 63 with multiple clash marks. Do you think they polished most of the clashes out of the dies for the years with only one clash mark?
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 Posted 03/24/2014  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pginrh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks west-canuk.... looks like every year except 1961 so far.... and per your observations, it looks like only the lower part of the reverse has the marks on other than the 1963. In the early 1940s when they tried to remove evidence of clash marks, you will see very fine scratches on the coin, but then dies were in very short supply as the bulk of the die quality steel was going to the war effort so every effort was being made to stretch die usage as long as possible... This was not a problem in the early sixties so I do not believe that they would make an effort to touch up the dies, but you could examine your coins with clashmarks to see if there is evidence of rework on those sites where the 1963 exhibits them and the others don't.
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 Posted 03/24/2014  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pginrh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I took a look at several hundred unique dies for the George VI 50c coins, specifically looking at die clash marks and this is what I saw.....


1938-1942 The Clash Marks are quite weak in the King's ear. On the Reverse the Clash Mark usually extend only through the crown. There appears to have been a conscious effort to polish some of the dies to reduce the Reverse Clash Marks.
The replacement of clashed Obverse dies would account for an imbalance Obverse to Reverse seen.

1943-1946 There appears to be no effort to control the Clash Marks. The Reverse Clash Marks are much stronger with the entirety of the Kings head appearing around the shield. On the Obverse, Clash Marks appear in the fields around the Kings head. It appears that the striking pressure was increased to cause a greater design transfer to the opposing dies. The appearance of Reverse Doubled Clash Marks indicates that dies were used past previous replacement criteria.

1949-1952 The characteristics of the Clash Marks change completely. The designs in the King's ear are much stronger and busier. On the Reverse, there are no longer imprints of the Kings head around the shield, instead, the King's earlobe impinges on the three lion segment of the shield. 1949 appears to have been an interim year with some of the old (light clash mark in ear) and some of the new characteristics. The new patterns seem to prove that there was a conscious change in the contouring of the King's head on the Obverse Die (i.e. a contour change to a ‘low profile' of the outer edges of the King's head).
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Wow great answer pginrh good read
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 Posted 03/24/2014  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collectinator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found another die clash on the 1959.

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That would match one of the clash mark sites on west-canuk's 1963.
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 Posted 03/25/2014  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collectinator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do the die clashes raise the value of the 50 cent pieces?
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For the 50cents, not appreciably... unless you run into someone that specializes in clash marks. It's probably more fun looking for them instead of purchasing coins specifically because yhere is a clash mark unless it is truly outstanding. For other denominations like the one cent, they are a lot more popular.
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