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Unknown Roman Or Creek Coins

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 Posted 03/26/2014  09:38 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add warjam to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi a new guy here.

I got these coins a year ago and in my heart of hearts I think they are fake but I don't know.

Really appreciate any help



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Don't care much on value as I bought them for the history. I can focus in closer on anyone of them if they are of interest.

I hope I haven't made a complete fool of myself
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to CCF. We have a few pros here so give it a bit and someone will be helping you.Mean time enjoy our great site.
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I would like to see closer pictures of all the coins. One or two at a time. But from what I can tell the first group look like copies and the second group look OK. But would still need closer pics to ID them.
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 Posted 03/26/2014  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add warjam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys for the welcome and you guys are fast on the replying as well.



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This help is great men and thanks again
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Im afraid its not looking good - I reckon they are all copies. Some of the bronzes are very good copies though and I've not seen them before, so its quite an interesting lot.
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The first bronze coin is supposed to be Gordian III, the second is a Roman provincial I can't make out the legend but it looks like Trajan. The third coin Hadrian with Oceanius reverse. Not sure about the others.
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Thanks guys for all the effort. They where bought from a guy that took us on a tour of the Ayasuluk Castle in Ephesus after it closed. He took us through a wire fence at the side. It was a brilliant tour and he said when it rains he goes up to the castle and find a lot of these coins in the mud.

Being turkey and there love of rip off stuff I had a feeling the big coins where fake, but he kept the small coins in a small plastic container and seemed to be more careful of them. I am glad I got them anyway and I hope to get more coins in the future as I really enjoy thinking of there history.

Thanks again
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It just occured to me that the bronze coins all appear to be silver types. Perhaps another nail in the coffin.

PM me and I can fix you up some cheap late roman bronzes, if you like. The average roman coin doesn't come out of the ground like this and almost all are Late Roman (300AD onwards) but the real deal is certainly plentiful.
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Thanks guys for all the effort. They where bought from a guy that took us on a tour of the Ayasuluk Castle in Ephesus after it closed. He took us through a wire fence at the side. It was a brilliant tour and he said when it rains he goes up to the castle and find a lot of these coins in the mud.

Being turkey and there love of rip off stuff I had a feeling the big coins where fake, but he kept the small coins in a small plastic container and seemed to be more careful of them. I am glad I got them anyway and I hope to get more coins in the future as I really enjoy thinking of there history.

I hate to break it to you, but you were lied to. This is a variation on a "tourist scam" that has been running in the Middle East ever since the Crusades - locals take the pilgrim/tourist to a ruin "nobody else knows about" where there are coins just lying around by the bucketful for them to pick up. Sadly, the coins are there because the locals went around a few hours earlier and tossed bucketfuls of fakes which they'd just made a week ago all about the place.

You can be fairly certain that any "ancient coin" offered for sale to a tourist in Turkey, no matter how they obtained it, is fake. It is illegal to sell genuine ancient coins to tourists in Turkey, and it is illegal to export them without a permit. Most locals with genuine (illegal) coins to offload don't take the risk with tourists, since the "tourists" might be government agents in disguise. If you challenge a typical street vendor that their coins are fake, they'll give you a furtive look and reach under the counter for a box of much more realistic-looking (and much more expensive) coins. Those will be fake, too.

You are fortunate that your coins were not detected by customs authorities when you left the country; it has happened on more than one occasion in the past that tourists trying to leave Turkey with fake coins have been arrested for antiquities smuggling and spent several weeks in a Turkish prison until someone eventually investigated them and was able to certify that their "coins" were fakes.
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 Posted 03/27/2014  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add warjam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah well

Sort of knew anyway that the coins weren't genuine. Thanks all for the help and insights and hopefully someday I will come back with a real set..
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