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I think this is of Philip II of Spain and Elizabeth Valois his third wife but I cant find anything to back this up.   |
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counter token 1563
SUBDUCENDIS RATIONIBUS CAMERAE
chamber for calculations of the account (like ministry of finance)
REGIS HISPANIAE CO L ARTESIAE HAI NA IVS
kingdom of Spain, County of Luxembourg, Artesia (Artois)HAI Navarro IVS
Philips II was maried with Queen Mary of England
I will try to find more
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One of Philip's titles was count of Hainaut (or Hainault). He held both that title, and the kingdom of Navarre, in his own right, though, not jure uxoris.
Edited by philadelphian
04/06/2014 3:35 pm
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Actually, since this jeton is listing Philip's titles in the Low Countries, NA probably stands for Namur, of which he was count (comis, which the CO stands for; if they included Navarre, they would have had to add REG).
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Completely corrct Philadelpia, I was looking in the wrong direction. Indeed it will be Artois, Hainaut, Luxembourg, Namur This map says it all: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...und_4_EN.pngThis map is from earlier period, but it gives clearly the different counties But IVS (or IUS)? |
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Found this old numismatic reference: http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA...&output=htmlThe full legend is REGIS HISP CO FL ARTH HAI NA LVS, for the counties of Flanders, Artois, Hainault, Namur, and Luxembourg, according to them, but, again, Luxembourg is not a county, but a duchy. Hmm. Edited by philadelphian
04/06/2014 5:55 pm
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ongrts, completly correct!
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but is that Mary I then? she had passed on this mortal coil by 1563 and he was married to Liz Valois then I think
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My same link: "Bustes affrontés de Philippe et d'Isabelle."
Interesting; it's a French numismatic text from 1858. In her native France, she would have been "Èlizabeth de Valois" to her contemporaries. In her husband's Spanish court, she would have been called "Isabel de Valois." Was the author directly francicizing her name as queen consort of Spain?
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04/07/2014 6:05 pm
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this is how the coin should look like The two are indeed Philip II and Isabel  |
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@laverdajohn interesting find, not regularly seen on auctions, so @carminou, yes I believe that this jeton is scarce at least, perhaps rare the best reference is Dugniolle 2360: check out the online Dugniolle collection which is really interesting http://www.dugniolle.com/dugniolle2301-2400.html |
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@ carminou To the Forum. |
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