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Help Identifying Chinese Variant

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 Posted 04/15/2014  6:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add haydhan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Shown are 4 notes front and reverse. The differences are pretty obvious though they are all 1914 10 yuan p118 Bank of communications. Unless counterfeit. The purples are Tientsin issue. The reds are Shanghai issue. Notice the signature seals(front) and signatures(back). The Tientsin Chinese signature I have seen before but dont think it has a variety number. The Shaghai chinese signature I have never seen and cant find anything about. The Chinese signature Tientsin I got for $1.04 and paid $6 for the handsigned shanghai. Its beat up but I wanted it just because I didn't have one. Anyhow, anybody know anything about the chinese handsigned issues? Thanks.

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 Posted 04/15/2014  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manymore to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's my understanding that a very large number of these October 1, 1914 Bank of Communications notes were printed and that they circulated for more than 30 years.

In the beginning, the notes carried the signatures of the local or regional bank officers.

Many of these notes were subsequently issued during the early years of World War II and these carried the signatures of the national bank officers.

While the signatures appear to be handwritten, they are actually printed.

The Shanghai and Tientsin notes apparently have the most varieties of these signatures.

I am not aware of any reference that documents all of these varieties.

Gary

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 Posted 04/15/2014  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add haydhan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Gary. So the nicer looking 10 yuan shanghai note was probably printed in the 1940's? And do you know, were these later issues printed legally by the government then? That's what it sounded like. I just purchased the chinese banknotes book by smith and matravers, do you know if that would have better information than the SCWPM? It's in the mail and I think I got a good price on it but I probably should have asked about that earlier. Either way I have purchased several hundred old chinese notes so I figure the book will help. Also, can you suggest any other books that may shed some light on chinese notes from 1900-1950?. Thanks for help.
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 Posted 04/16/2014  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manymore to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Frankly, my knowledge of Chinese notes is fairly limited.

My main interest in regard to Chinese notes has to do with the meaning of the vignettes which I write about in Chinese Paper Money.

I believe SCWPM (which I do not have) is based on Smith and Matravers.

Unfortunately, I cannot recommend other books to you because almost all of my reference books are in Chinese. They would not be helpful to you unless you can read Chinese.

Without doing additional research on who were the Bank of Communications officials during the war, I would not be able to tell you which notes are from this time period.

Yes, the later notes were legally issued by the government. The government was printing tremendous amounts of paper currency during the period.

This caused very severe inflation.

As to how severe the inflation was, you may find my blog post "Carrying Cash in Republican China" enlightening.

Gary



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Read your blog. Loved it thanks again.
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So just an update if anybody is interested. I got my Smith and Matravers book and these varieties were in there. Pretty cool really. The two with the Chinese signatures were released in 1914 and are more rare than the others.
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The signatures of the 10 yuan note from Tianjin (serial no. E539622) are Li ZhoNGChu and Hu Xiuepu,
on front in Chinese, on back in Western style.
The signatures of the 10 yuan note Shanghai (serial no. S244671A) are Hu Mengjia and Liang Shiyi (on front in Chinese, on back in Western style).
All these signatures are described in my (privately issued) book "The Bank of Communications and its Banknotes", 2nd edition (Dec. 2014)
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