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New To Coin Collecting.... How Do You Know If The Are Real?

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 Posted 04/18/2014  12:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Beat999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi All,

I'm new to this and have a lot to learn, I've just purchased my first few coins and stupidly it only then dawned on me that I have no idea if I'm buying the real thing.... Here's one for example
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231198088....m1439.l2649

Should I get a silver testing kit?

Thanks

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I think you did OK with this coin. It appears to be genuine. With that in mind there are many fakes out there. Before you buy anything you need to learn a little about these coins. There is a sticky section here about, Books, Downloads and Websites that you should go through. You will find tons of information and books that you can download and study.
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If it is real then you were lucky. That particular seller is on the "Fake Sellers List". I would not put any acids anywhere near your coins, even for testing purposes.

Welcome to the community. Stick around you will learn loads.
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This particular coin is very difficult to determine authenticity. "Black Sea Hoard" fakes are very common. They were made in the '90s, in order to fool experts and collectors. They were struck from fake dies and used Real silver. Acid testing would tell you nothing.
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Beat999,
Not sure what country you are from or your collector interest but, the above members know there stuff about Ancient, Greek, and Roman Coins.
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Wow Nathan, I never knew that! Care to expand (please!) on the things to look out for other than the obvious, wear & patina. I have seen quite a few struck copies on the later Roman stuff and am 90 percent confident I could spot a duff one but I am pretty new to this particular coin type as well and could certainly use a few pointers! I would, actually, run a coin of this type by you guys first but it's good info for everyone to be armed with.
I presume they would get the weight about right by simply measuring out the silver.
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This site has all kinds of fakes of that coin...It certainly can't be a complete listing but I am sure many of the more common fakes are represented here....


http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fa...umbnails.php
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The way I did it is I treated every coin shop like a museum. Just be sure to patronize them with a minimum of $5-10 so that they respect you the next time you roll in. Also, strike up a conversation with your coin dealer. The more coins and paper you look at the better you become at discerning fakes from the genuine. It´s not easy at first, and even now the fakes are getting astonishingly good. The best fakes I´ve seen so far are the duck\mallard coins from Canada (recent).
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Thanks all, I've checked the fakes list and I can't see it on there, It struck me how many fakes there are!

I'll have a closer look when it arrives.
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If it came from a Notorious Fake Seller, then it's authenticity is on doubt.

Please do not test ancient coins for silver content, for two reasons: (a) if it is actually genuine, you've done damage to a unique ancient artifact, and (b) just because it's made of genuine silver does not mean the coin itself is genuine. Slavey and other fake-masters make fake coins out of real high-purity silver all the time.

If you're new to ancient coins, I'd strongly suggest staying away from ebay. There are far too many fake sellers on there. Find a genuine trusted guaranteed-for-eternity ancient coin dealer like Civitas or FORVM, or use a venue like VCoins where all the coins offered for sale are vetted.
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Thanks all, so I now have this coin in hand, what do I do to find out if it's real?

I've decided to buy some coins from crusty Romans, at least that way I have the fun of finding out what I've got!
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If you post a clear picture of the edge of the coin we can see if there's a seam that would suggest it was cast.
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ok, will do just trying to work out how I do that!
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I can't see a green camera option?
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lol I think I need to try again!
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