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1995 Nickel - Not Shiny Finish (Matte Or Frosted)? Many Pics

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I came across this nickel and it has a not shiny finish. Maybe matte or frosted, I don't really know what they look like in person so I can't really say.
I've only seen this effect on nickels. I've seen one or two before but I didn't really think of it. What years, I'm not sure. Then I saw this and the effect looks very strong so I kept it.

This photo was taken near a window. You can see on the coin on the right that it looks purple because my phone is reflected on it, but the 1995 coin doesn't reflect my phone. Both of them are cupronickel.
It's also got a lot of cartwheel lustre. It has 4 "spokes" of lustre. The light is pointing in the wrong direction in this photo so it's not that obvious here.

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1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics

The coin is in great shape, very few signs of wear. Details are still very clear.

Today I borrowed a microscope from the lab and looked at it under 40x magnification. 100x would bring the rotating lens thing (that I forgot the name) too close to the coin and make it look too dark.
There seems to be lines like rays coming from the centre of the coin toward the edges. Mostly on the backgrounds, but you can see some too on the relief if you look very hard.

Lots of pics from here on. Sorry for the less than great quality pics. I am quite bad at taking pics down the barrel of a scope.

Reverse closeups:

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1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
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1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics

i couldn't see any "rays" on the beaver, that's why I did not take a picture of it.

Obverse closeups:

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1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics

Unfortunately I did not have time to take many photos of the obverse as classes were about to start again. The "rays" can be seen on flat wide areas on the queen such as her neck and cheek, even though it's less obvious than the ones on the background.

These are the only photos I have now, I'll not have access to microscopes again until Monday.

Anyone knows why this nickel is like this?
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There seems to be lines like rays coming from the centre of the coin toward the edges. Mostly on the backgrounds, but you can see some too on the relief if you look very hard.


Good eye... those are flow lines from the striking of the coin. That is what gives coins their 'cartwheel' lustre. Nickel, being a harder metal, sometimes shows these rays very well... nickelsguy can probably tell you which years show this the best.

Here is an example I showed to Mike some time ago. It has very strong die polish (fresh dies), tooling marks and, your 'rays' from the strike. I annotated the image to show this.

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Thanks SPP!

It's cool how a fresh die can make those marks on a coin! I doubt I'll find more than a couple in circulation though.

I can't see the lines on my coin with my eyes or with a magnifier. I just know it looks kind of different so I borrowed a microscope from the lab and I saw all these lines! I thought the mint made a different finish since it really doesn't have that "mirror-y" surface. Like when you pass your finger over a coin it will have the reflection of your finger on it, this one only has a shadow. Apparently it's not a different finish, even though it would be cool if it was. Even cooler if it's a specimen but I think there's no way since it's not lined.
Is the actual coin that is in your image not shiny too? It is a cupronickel one right?

So my coin is from a new die, correct? Quite lucky it got spared from circulation or I won't be able to observe this! In hand, that cartwheel lustre is extreme

By the way I just found a 1974 nickel in a roll that was a victim of slight overpolishing on its reverse (half of its neck is gone, and its back feet is detached) and it's got those random straight lines on its background. I was about to ask, but they look to be from die polish, based on your pic.

Is the Mike you are mentioning Mike Diamond?
If you would like to show my microscope photos to others feel free to
I'll wait and see if nickelsguy will comment on here.
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Mike = nickelsguy, in the context here.
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Is the Mike you are mentioning Mike Diamond?

I believe he is referring to Mike Marshall=nickelsguy
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Oops. There's a couple of Mikes in this forum, and that's the first time I've read nickelsguy referred as Mike.
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ha ha your not alone I didnt know who was who when I started this forum either.
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Haha. We're all learning, aren't we?
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Nice coin! 1997 has the most spectacular version I have found. The radial lines can show clearly. Good eye. Regards Mike M
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Thanks nickelsguy! I'll keep an eye out for the 1997 one. I've only found worn 1997s so this might take some time. Not to mention that all I find in rolls are steel lately.

By the way, do these lines only appear on a new die?
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I found a 2001 with a not shiny finish and great cartwheels too. But it looks different when I look at it under the microscope. It actually looks like the finish has worn down on the high points and revealing the normal shiny one. It looks rather rough/"gritty"/"gravelly" where it hasn't worn down yet, it doesn't look like the rays on the first coin. It doesn't show much on the full coin, but it's clear when you look closer.

Here's a couple of quick full-coin shots:
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1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics

Reverse: Look at Canada, 2001, and the water lines. Also on the hair above the beaver's belly. That's a scratch under the second A of Canada.

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1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics

Obverse: The queen's crown, necklace, eye, hair and nose, and the lettering.

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1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
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1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics
1995-Nickel---Not-Shiny-Finish-Matte-Or-Frosted?-Many-Pics

It doesn't look the same as the rays from the first coin. Might this be a different finish?

Edit: Found another one. I took a photo on the P where it shows this the clearest.
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Sorry for bumping.
Does anyone know about the finishes on 2001 nickels? I just really want to know why it's like this.
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