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1935 Walking Liberty Missing In God We Trust.

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 Posted 07/27/2007  12:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ezextra to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Greetings all! I just spent an hour reading the posting requirements, etc so I don't want my first post to violate anything! I scanned a pair of Walking Liberty half dollars from the same year, and one is the error. The scans are HUGE on purpose, so people can get a really magnified look at them.

So I'm posting the links to the photos, so all can go examine under a microscope. Neither coin has been cleaned, been in the family since the 40's, in a box in the closet of course, along with a butt-load of other coins, some of which I've already sold. I came across this tonight as I was cataloguing what I owned.

Anyway, here are the links to the front and the obverse. Feel free to reply or email me or however the board allows communication and let me know what you think: Is this not so rare, should I go get it professionally graded, etc.

Thanks piles!

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 Posted 07/27/2007  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vaslin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The way that the texture of the coin looks in the suspect area tells me that this coin was attacked by a Dremel.

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 Posted 07/27/2007  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ezextra to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me it looks like the slug/blank was compressed or something. It looks like a compression wave in imperfect metal. No, not a dremel, those are not grinding marks, they're like little waves in the sand you find when the tide goes out. I studied the thing for hours before posting on a coin message board, but thanks?
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 Posted 07/27/2007  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Vaslin, it looks like it has been grinded down.
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 Posted 07/27/2007  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum!

That looks like a toughie
Assuming that you are correct and that it it is not actual damage, my best guess would be that it was possibly struck on a defective planchet.

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Hi, ezextra, and welcome to the board. We all learn a lot here. Many very knowledgeable collectors!

From the pictures provided, it looks like post mint damage to me. The reverse appears normally struck and worn, which seems unlikely, to me, if the obverse were truly mis-struck because of either a bad planchet or bad die.
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Maybe Struck Through Grease or something? It does look like a wave effect to me. The Y in liberty also partially shows, which I think it would be in a strike through since it has a higher profile than the in god we trust. Welcome to the forum Ezextra, and wait for other opinions, I don't guarantee mine to be accurate.
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 Posted 07/27/2007  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vaslin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Without the coin in hand, it is sometimes hard to see what you see.

Exactly as cpfull says, a lot of what the members say are opinions (except for Coppercoins of course, whose word is law).
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 Posted 07/27/2007  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ezextra to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the replies! Let me just point out and mention some other observations about the coin. First, after you click the link, click the picture to make it huge, the link shows the pic at about 65%.

And about the coin that you CAN see in the scan: The wave effect travels through the T and mostly in the Y in LIBERTY, making the Y ripple mostly. I think if it were ground, scraped, rubbed, that the Y would clearly show it as being ground down, exposing the metal differently, with sharper edges or flattened, instead of being rounded and not as sharp as the L for example.

The horizontal line that's perpendicular to the rippling effect is ALSO a compression type effect (not a scratch in the coin, like a fault line in the earth, as you can see parallel ripples above and below it faintly.

There is a rainbowing/3-D effect that runs from the bottom center of the coin (the 5 in 1935 seems like a deeper strike than the other numbers in the date) all the way up past the T area.

The area of the I in LIBERTY also has what seems like a faint rippling effect going toward the rim. Overall, all of the blank space areas of the coin front are not "smooth" as the rest of the 35 Walking Liberty's that I have. The whole thing has the appearance of imperfect metal, which of course as we now know: SUNK THE TITANIC!! :)

Thanks again for all of your opinions, no matter how useful or useless they may be ;)

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 Posted 07/27/2007  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Without seeing it up close and personal I can't be sure but it looks like a possible "struck through" error. I have seen modern ones that were struck through duct tape of all things. Does the pattern look like it could have been made by linen or even leather? Just a thought
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 Posted 07/27/2007  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ezextra to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Leather perhaps, or something else? I've never seen such a thing, but I have seen other metals having nothing to do with coins with a similar rippled look, specifically iron & lead.
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 Posted 07/28/2007  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Post mint damage.


I took the photo and enlarged it to 300% the whole surface of the coin has a problem ,, my Guess is that it has been etched by some type of acid or chemical ,, with extra attention given to the area of the motto .

The Damage to the rim is a tipoff that it is not a struck through.



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Thanks for enlarging! It's the whole reason that I made such a humangous file for inspection, so I appreciate your close look. Please be more specific when you refer to "damage to the rim", as I see nothing about the entire rim that differs from the area in question... SO, my question is: if the pile of coins that I have have been sitting literally in a box since the late 40's and in the family... what would have possessed someone, at that time in history, to do this to the coin in what appears to be a specific area, for whatever reason, and then just toss it into circulation, save it, whatever? And if your theory is correct, please let me know exactly what chemical would "etch" a coin enough to remove the motto, not damage the rest of the coin, particularly the obverse, and leave such a rippling effect behind. In the meantime, I'll be going to a local coin fat-ass (he's good but I hate the sloppy turd, bad attitude, doesn't seem to shower) for an up close and personal exam on Moonday. If he turns out to be too sweaty and surly, I'll go to my other dealer to see what he thinks...

Also, as an aside: Has anyone ever heard of ANY coin, at ANY time, have an error such as this (not counting the 1922 Lincoln Cent with the worn out dies that left little or no mint mark) where a section is just not there, with or without damage to the rest of the coin?

I'm new at this kind of thing, and now getting addicted to reading about errors, toning (still confuses me as to why they are more valuable than white silver) and other out of the ordinary things....

I collected when I was a kid, and now seem to have that bug again!

YAY!
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 Posted 07/28/2007  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check this thread out .

http://coincommunity.com/forum/topi...PIC_ID=17385


as to why someone would do this type of thing to a coin ? its anybodies guess,,but just about anything imagineable has been done to coins.

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> where a section is just not there, with or without damage to the rest of the coin?

Greased filled dies.
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I wonder if it was not struck thru a rag? There are a lot of them in a "machine shop, or mint".
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