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New Member
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Hi guys... now that SuperDave, Gary, and Ray have directed me to the proper detail and full-face imaging setups.... can I please get any feedback/recommendations on a quality DSLR desktop stand for the Full-Face imagery setup?
I will going with your recommended extension tube set attached to my 85mm prime lens for my Nikon D90 and need a sturdy stand to support it. Something with a precise vertical focusing mechanism would be nice.
I currently have a quality Manfrotto tripod with a 410 geared head in my possession, but that will be quite cumbersome for my desk next to my PC and future stereoscope. I foresee fine direct vertical focusing with the tripod being difficult. I also read on another post that working around tripod legs will be a pain and may potentially cast unwanted shadows on the subject from the legs.
I am sure there are a bunch of stands out there to choose from, just thought I would tap the knowledge center (you) to see what the experts are using so I can head down the right path right from the get go.
Thanks very much again for your help in advance.
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Pillar of the Community
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The following link describes a portion of my journey developing stands for coin photography using modified microscope stands as raw material: https://goccf.com/t/87392&whichpage=1Most of the ones I've built have been targeted for use with bellows rather than directly mounting a camera. I have supplied a couple with mounts suitable for direct camera mounting, but most folks seem to go the bellows + enlarging/duplicating lens route. The advantages of the microscope stands are small size and precise vertical adjustments. They only take up 6"x9" of your desktop. If you have space, you can go with a larger "copy stand". There are many types to choose from and many folks on this forum use them and can give advice, pros/cons, etc. Copy stands are more suited to direct mounting of your camera but only the most expensive have fine vertical adjustment capability. Ray
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I don't use a stand for my pics, mainly due to the change in the color, toning and luster of the coins. What might work for a copper cent may not work for a PL Morgan. I enjoy just holding the camera and with a steady hand, have the macro feature on and zoom in to about 1.6-1.8x and give it a go. All I do is use a single 12.49 gooseneck desktop lamp from Walmart and Sony Cyber-Shot 8MP camera and I get results like this;   For me, these are absolutely acceptable full sized pics. They are HUGE in HD format and have to be brought down to a usable size or they'd take all day to load. = )
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I really like the microscope stand setup. The big plus for me is the ability for fine focus adjustments.
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New Member
 United States
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Thanks for your feedback guys!
Ray-- Nice work on the custom stands! A couple hundred dollars is a bit out my budget for this part of my full image setup, but I don't doubt your products are worth it. I do like to precision focusing feature.
Gary -- Those are actually quite nice pics for being handheld! I could experiment with this before getting a stand once my extension tube set arrives. On a side note, do you post process your images to get that deep copper luster on your coins? Or is that the unedited image and the lighting you use produces the result?
Kanga-- I like the simplicity of your stand, compactness, at low price point. Does it have fine focus adjustment by chance? I might be asking too much for a stand to be low cost and have precision focus control. ;(
Thanks again guys for your feedback!
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Quote: What might work for a copper cent may not work for a PL Morgan. Actually, yes, it does. Precisely. Gestin, there are two types of extension tubes - those which pass electronic information, and "dumb" ones which don't. Optically, they're identical but only the former retains the ability to autofocus. They're far more expensive, as well. In any event, vertical adjustability will have no bearing on the focusing process - that's all in the lens, with your setup - but it will bear on the size of the coin in the sensor. Adding and subtracting tube sections has the same effect, but in much less granular fashion. With that said, between the quality of the D90 sensor and the 85mm (which is a terrific lens), you're probably not going to have to maximize the on-sensor magnification to get excellent images. The upshot of what I'm saying here is that a simple, cheap copystand will likely serve your needs nicely. I'm going to be emailing you. Edit to add a couple points: In a copystand, you're going to want a bare minimum of 18" of available vertical travel, considering the camera mounting point. I'm thinking you're going to need the front of an 85mm lens to be at least 10" and probably 12" above a Morgan-sized coin. Further, it'll need to be a bit beefier than the typical cheap 12" ebay examples, to stiffly bear the weight of a dSLR/lens. But, for you, ease of vertical adjustment isn't going to be a priority, as I could envision you only using two camera positions - one for large coins, one for small - or maybe (as I mentioned) only varying the amount of extension. These are among the advantages you gain when you start with camera equipment of the quality you're using. Something to keep in mind when shopping.
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SD makes a good point. I had recommended getting cheap (non-electronic) extension tubes since I'm so used to manual focusing all my shots. But if you get the ones that can transfer your autofocus features to the lens, then you can use a less expensive copy stand since the lens will do the focusing at a fixed lens-coin distance. More expensive on the extensions side, but cheaper on the copy stand side, and easier to use than any manual setup.
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Quote: I like the simplicity of your stand, compactness, at low price point. Does it have fine focus adjustment by chance? Nope, but I don't need it. My camera is a Nikon D90 and which I use in manual mode when shooting coins so fine focus capability on the stand isn't necessary.
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I'm also thinking of the (relative) complexity of manually focusing even the presence of remote/tethering software - is that problem of wxpense for Nikon fixed, Ray, by the cheap software in your experience?
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Pillar of the Community
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I haven't used my Nikon tethered since buying the T2i so can't say if the ControlMyNikon has improved or not. But you are making another good point...since the 85/1.8 has a focus helicoid, focusing can be manual using the lens, so no solid requirement for expensive extensions either! The CMN software should work OK in this case...
Contact me for photographic equipment or visit my home page at: http://macrocoins.com
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New Member
 United States
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Ray/Dave/Kanga-- I completely understand now where the precision adjustment in the stand is unnecessary. Thanks for setting me straight.
Dave-- Thanks for the email!
Dave/Ray-- I started looking at remote/tethering software a couple weeks ago and the ControlMyNikon software looks very feature rich and quite affordable at $30. Unfortunately, the show stopper for me is I have a MAC. The FAQ for the site says they don't have a MAC version out but there are plans in the future some time. Bummer. I have a Windows based PC for work, but the IT guys are super restrictive on what we are allowed to install on it. I would rather use my larger screen MAC anyway.
I will likely start up another thread to collect thoughts on good remote/tethering software soon so this thread doesn't morph into something other than its original topic.
Thanks again for the help guys!
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Pillar of the Community
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Gary -- Those are actually quite nice pics for being handheld! I could experiment with this before getting a stand once my extension tube set arrives. On a side note, do you post process your images to get that deep copper luster on your coins? Or is that the unedited image and the lighting you use produces the result? That's the effect of the 12.49 Walmart LED lighting. Its a raw photo, untouched - well, cropped to make it fit, otherwise, raw. = ) I DO have a microscope setup for the REALLY close shots...... https://goccf.com/t/173936Pics are raw as well. I continue to change diffusing to try to make the issue stand out better. The better the diffusing the better pic with a 40x 'scope shot; 
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Quote: I completely understand now where the precision adjustment in the stand is unnecessary. Thanks for setting me straight. Don't rule Precision adjustment on the stand out. I have gone the other way and added more adjustment to my stand. I use a range of lenses, some without focusing helicoids but most with. I have now started pre-setting the magnification on the lens. So even though I could use the focusing helicoid I sometimes prefer to adjust the focus using the stand so that I have an accurate measure of the magnification I used.
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New Member
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Thanks Gary. Your lighting setup is inexpensive and quite effective. I like the way you are able to use the shadows to enhance the detail which also give the image some depth.
Understood austrokiki. I can see where precision adjustment would benefit your setup greatly. All of my lenses have focusing helicoids which fit my use of a stand without the precision adjustment, plus like SuperDave said, I will likely have just a couple of primary lens-to-subject distances to deal with for full-face imagery. Thanks for your feedback!
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