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Hi all,

Just been chatting to one of the mods here about sending and more regularly receiving coins, mainly Roman, from Cyprus and other similar areas.
We are both aware there are a lot of laws involved with this, yet I have the chance of buying direct from these places. This is ideal for me :-
A. It cuts out 'middle' men and saves money.
B. The stuff is pretty much unsorted.

The thing is I am not 100 percent on the actual laws involved in this and don't want to land myself in hot water. I know that there are loopholes to get the coins from Cyprus to the UK but if anyone is more clued up on this aspect I could use some input. Thanks in advance, Kevin.

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 Posted 05/07/2014  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add MetDet71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not the loopholes, the laws.
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 Posted 05/07/2014  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The laws in Cyprus itself are quite strict. This Cypriot government webpage has copies in English to download. Any object older than 1850 is defined as an "antiquity" and any coin still buried in the ground is by these laws declared property of the government. Private ownership of antiquities is tolerated but their sale and export are strictly controlled. Export, particularly, is not permitted except for temporary export of artifacts from state collections on loan to foreign museums or universities for display or for scientific testing. Export of private collections for any reason is prohibited.

The Cyprus situation is made complicated by the de-facto existence of an unrecognized secessionist state in northern Cyprus, which has its own antiquities laws. I haven't been able to find much in English about their laws, though the Greek-Cypriot government seems to be constantly complaining that they are too lax.

ON the UK side, I am not aware of any general import restrictions or controls of any kind on antiquities from Cyprus, or anywhere else for that matter. The webpage I linked to above shows that coins are included in the MOU between Cyprus and America, but unless your coins are travelling via America this should make no difference. You may need to make some sort of customs declaration confirming that the objects are indeed more than 100 years old and therefore free of customs and excise duties.

Britain does, however, have the Dealing in Cultural Objects (Offences) Act 2003, which makes it a crime in England (but not in Scotland) to knowingly import from another country objects you know to be "tainted", that is, excavated and exported from that country illegally. This is one advantage of working via "middle men" - if any laws are broken in acquiring the coins, it is on their heads, not yours.
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 Posted 05/07/2014  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add MetDet71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you sap, I will have a good long look at both of those sites. I have actually, possibly a little hastily, already made a purchase and from what I can gather as long as the coins are not sent direct to the UK from him but via another location then there is no law overlooking this, very possibly the Northern state you mentioned. This might be more of a headache than it is worth but I really appreciate you taking the time to post those links for me, I will get stuck into the reading tomorrow, thank you again.
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I'm glad that Sap responded I know that he has kept track of the various laws.
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 Posted 05/08/2014  06:16 am  Show Profile   Check MetDet71's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add MetDet71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your help with this too Ron, still reading my way through... seems to be a lot of mist and mirrors to get through.
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MetDet-- I know you're in the UK but for US-based ancient collectors, here is some reliable information from CNG: http://cngcoins.com/Information+on+...lations.aspx

Additionally, there is a (possible) impending ban on importation of Egyptian coins and artifacts. I hope that doesn't come to pass because I avidly collect coins of Roman Egypt!
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Hi Tiff, I am aware of the really poorly thought out ban that is being introduced on Egyptian stuff, really not a good idea at all. I didn't know that the new import laws to the US included coins that late... wow.
I can't see the point in stopping people, especially collectors, from buying from anywhere as long as the source is monitored.
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