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Canada
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They are all regular business strike coins! Adjust the camera angle, lighting, shadow that falls on the coin, and you get this:   Might fool a beginning collector? Here's the full photo:  The one on the left is unintentional, but it looks pretty good so. Some lighting trick! Only works if I'm photographing from under the stairwell for sone reason. Maybe the kinda dim environment with only 1 harsh light source from the front?  Look at that fake "cameo" by lighting trick. The pics of the individual coins weren't resized, just cropped from the large photo.  Another nickel:   And another, since there's so many shiny ones in this roll:  Looks almost mirror-like on the background.  And I wasn't even half trying when photographing these. If someone is really determined I bet it could look better. |
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Canada
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I find a newer canadian nickel coin, OK 5c, they always seem to get a good srtike. So a lot of those coins look very good or Proof...I 've had plenty of proof looking 5c in my pocket....
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 Canada
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In my experience, the nickels look less worn than the quarters or dimes most of the time.
Just saying, by manipulating the lighting a little you can make a nice shiny coin look like a real proof. Sneaky sellers can use it to trick beginner proof collectors when online shopping.
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This is a proof.......and it isn't shiney. Proof does not equal shiney. A true proof coin is produced using polished planchettes, with polished dies and is struck at the absolute minimum twice. Those coins you have posted photos of don't look like proof coins to me, the quality of the strike is wrong.  Edited by austrokiwi
05/15/2014 01:13 am
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 United States
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Is that a "sandblast" finish proof or was the die pickled/sandblasted? I've been looking at some US Gold Indian sandblast proofs and am very impressed with them. My very favorite US proofs are the "satin" finish ones from 1936 and 1950. They were struck from polished dies but unpolished planchets so they have an almost business strike look to them.
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United States
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Slur................ Quote:
In my experience, the nickels look less worn than the quarters or dimes most of the time.
Just saying, by manipulating the lighting a little you can make a nice shiny coin look like a real proof. Sneaky sellers can use it to trick beginner proof collectors when online shopping.  If the coin is stated as a proof ... (get a rope)... But using many great pictures is not a no-no. Is it? Then there is the case of a business strike that is PL (proof like) Oh well........ |
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Australia
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Quite often mints will try to extend die life by nickel plating the die or by nitriding the steel alloy to harden it.
The result is that coins struck early in the die life can take on the characteristics of a 'proof like' appearance.
Look for bag marks. Proof coins are handled individually, from the moment they emerge from the coining press and are usually packaged individually, and thus avoid bag marking.
The coins pictured here have obviously seen some circulation.
I have yet to find an Australian decimal coin straight from the mint intended for circulation that DOES NOT have bag marking. If an uncirculated standard coin is without bag marking, it must have been handled individually with at least some care, and sold in a set to collectors.
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Canada
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They're regular business strikes with no proof appearance whatsoever without manipulating the lighting.
I'm sure I could pick out a proof from a non-proof with a good photo.
Plus, the photo isn't fully focused and I don't think it will ever be if the purpose is to deceive, since this way it hides the fact that the relief is not frosted.
There are lots of marks on these coins which are signs of circulation and bag marking, but it is harder to see when it's flooded with light like this.
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Canada
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It´d be hard to pass that as a proof with so many dings and scratches all over the fields and rims. They show up even in the spotty pixelation. Plus I wouldn´t buy a proof coin from somebody who stacks them up like that.
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Canada
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These were from a circulated roll, so obviously they're not the best coins in the world. And like I said above I wasn't even trying to make these look good, just showing a lighting trick.
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Is that a "sandblast" finish proof or was the die pickled/sandblasted? Re the Ethiopian Birr I understand the dies after polishing were,as you put it, "pickled". In other words washed with acid. I am going to repeat myself in stronger words theres no way the coins first pictured look like proofs! |
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Posted 05/15/2014 12:10 am
